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Wendy Myers: Hello, my name is Wendy Myers. Welcome to The Myers Detox Podcast. You can learn more about detox at myersdetox.com. On this show, we talk about everything related to heavy metal toxicity, supplementation, detox protocols, and lots of different topics, and especially important, how toxins are contributing to your health issues and diagnoses and what to do about it.
Wendy Myers: Today, we have Dr. Chris Shade on the show. He is an expert in mercury toxicity and heavy metals testing. He has an amazing line of supplements called Quicksilver Scientific. I’ve been following his work for a very long time. I’m very privileged to have him on the show today to discuss the top reasons that interfere with detoxability and heavy metals testing pros and cons, but we’re going to be talking about all kinds of things. If someone has inflammation, poor bile production or poor liver function and stress, they’re going to have a reduced ability to detox and may encounter problems when they attempt a detox, so we talk about that in detail.
Wendy Myers: We’ll talk about heavy metal tests pros and cons and why testing for different types of mercury is important, termed speciation. Also, arsenic has different species of arsenic that are problematic, some not as much. It’s important to do tests that differentiate between the different species. We’ll also talk about why the heavy metals tests given by medical doctors show no or low heavy metals, what’s turned false positive results, and why this is not possible. It’s not possible to have no heavy metals in your body.
Wendy Myers: We’ll also talk about why you need to improve bile flow and production as the first step in detoxification, top nutrients to optimize liver functions, Dr. Rashid’s detox system explained in detail, and how IV chelation can harm your kidneys, but it still has its place in detox to save lives. We explain all of that and much, much more. This is such a good podcast. Really key for all of those people that really want to get down and dirty on the science and very detailed explanations that someone like Dr. Chris Shade can explain.
Wendy Myers: I know you guys listening are really concerned about detoxification, and so I created a quiz. It’s a very, very simple quiz. You don’t have to spend a lot of money on testing, but this quiz will help to determine what your relative levels of toxins are in your body. I developed this quiz based on some of your lifestyle habits that you can take and then get a free video series which will answer a lot of questions you have about detox like, “Where do I start? What other things might I be doing to limit my exposure to toxins?” I have a great free video series after you take that quiz at heavymetalsquiz.com, so go there, take it, and you’ll get the free video series.
Wendy Myers: Our guest today, Dr. Chris Shade, specializes in the biological and environmental and analytical chemistry of mercury in all its forms and their interactions with sulfur compounds, particularly glutathione and its enzyme system. He has patented a mercury speciation diagnostic test to analyze human toxicity, founded the only clinical lab in the world offering mercury speciation analysis and has designed cutting-edge systems of nutraceuticals for detoxification and antioxidant protection. His Quicksilver delivery system’s nanoparticle technology increases the bioavailability of supplements and protocols leading to higher efficacy products.
Wendy Myers: Dr. Shade is regularly sought out to speak as an educator on the topics of mercury, environmental toxicities, neuroinflammation, immune dysregulation, and the human detoxification system, both in the United States and internationally. He has helped professional athletes, children with autism, patients with chronic immune disorders, and more. He strives to evolve the way the medical industry delivers care and he has perpetually broadening the way the world understands health through detoxification. You can learn more about him at quicksilverscientific.com. Chris, thank you so much for joining us on the show today.
Dr. Chris Shade: I’m very happy to be here, Wendy.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I’m so excited to interview. You are one of the like top people in the detoxification sphere or realm, really reaching millions of people about the importance of detoxification. Why don’t you tell us your background and how you got so involved?
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah. You really got to go a long way back. I was an organic farmer before I was a chemist at BHDM. I had gone to school in environmental chemistry and I got kind of disillusioned after a year or two in there. I was looking for a more impactful way of dealing with people’s health and the environment, and so I started looking at the food supply and organic farming and creating a cleaner food supply. I did some work in that. I joked that I went out of the business the year Whole Foods came along. It was a little early for the game. Nobody wanted to pay so much money for clean food. They were like, “Well, that’s twice the price as the regular stuff”, but now they do that routinely.
Dr. Chris Shade: One thing led me to another and I was doing soil research, and then I went back to school. I got a Master’s around sort of pollution chemistry from agriculture. Then, when I went to get my PhD, I found a guy who was really smart who was working on global mercury cycles, and so it was environmental chemistry. It was metals as toxins in this general format of understanding aquatic chemistry, and so you’d look at where metals come from, how they change forms as they go through the environment, how they build up in organisms. It was a very sophisticated understanding of metals and I built a testing system while I was there and patented it. At first, started my company applying it to environmental testing, but then my goal was to jump back into looking at people.
Dr. Chris Shade: I jumped back into testing metals in people and that was what we called The Mercury Tri-Test and it used this technology I developed called Mercury Speciation. It was a technology for separating different forms of mercury. It could differentiate mercury that was coming from dental amalgam versus mercury from the fish that you’re eating or from the vaccines that you’re getting.
Dr. Chris Shade: That was really necessary at the time I came into the clinical toxicology realm. They were really fumbling about. They didn’t understand different forms of mercury. They had a slightly barbaric form of testing the challenge test. In their detox, all there was was chelators. It was like metal toxicity was this deficiency of chelators. They didn’t understand that there was this whole way that your body dealt with these things. Even in the academic world, we have that fairly well worked out.
Dr. Chris Shade: I came in offering testing, and then I saw very quickly that I had to offer a solution for how to get the metals out. As in most people like me, do-it-all-yourselfers, I had all of these dental amalgams. I had 17 amalgams in my mouth and it turns out I only had one or two cavities when I got them all out.
Wendy Myers: There’s a lot of dentists putting things in our faces
Dr. Chris Shade: Oh, yeah
Wendy Myers: We don’t need. They have to pay the bills.
Dr. Chris Shade: I always joke that they’re very giving. Every time you go there, they give you something. You never leave with an empty mouth.
Wendy Myers: No you don’t.
Dr. Chris Shade: Every time there was a crack, he’d drill it out and he’d put amalgam in there. It was called sealant. Now, they just paint some epoxy on there. I got these all taken out in one fell swoop and I started taking chelators. Got me all sick because I was trying to force all of this stuff through my kidneys. In the depths of the dark night of my biochemical soul, I was going to functional medicine lectures here in Boulder County and I would see Nigel Plummer and Bob Rountree and they were talking about the GI and GI pathways. I was like, “God, why am I trying to force stuff through my kidney? I could probably take them out through the GI.” That led me to develop out a system that filters through the liver and GI tract instead of pushing everything through the kidneys.
Dr. Chris Shade: That fixed me in no time at all, and then I was off and running developing detox systems. That’s sort of taken the frontline, whereas the testing’s still important, but the detox systems are more important.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, and I’ll ask you about chelation at the end of our talk, so we can just make some distinctions because a lot of functional medical practitioners are one-trick ponies where they’re only offering IV chelation, and there’s much safer and inexpensive ways to do that that don’t make you sick. Let’s just preface this conversation first with giving me a rebuttal to medical doctors that think that detox is BS or our bodies detox perfectly fine on their own. I want to know your take on why people need to detox today in order to be healthy and why we need to support our livers in that process.
Dr. Chris Shade: Well, that’s mainstream medical thing. They’ve been trained to have this whole like, “Here’s your symptom, here’s your drug.” They’ve never been trained in functioning of the body, so they don’t have any idea of the relativity of the function. By relativity, I mean that one person can have a highly functioning liver and one person can have an underfunctioning liver. The only way they see that is, “Oh my God, you’ve got fibrosis and cirrhosis.” Now, it’s underfunctioning, and if it’s not cirrhosis, then it’s perfectly functioning, and so they’re missing the whole genomics and the snips and that relativity. The even bigger overlay on it is sort of epigenome, and it’s more than epigenome where we methylate or demethlylate genes and turn them on or off, but things that are turning down the functioning of our detox system. The most fundamental thing that turns down detoxification is inflammation.
Dr. Chris Shade: Now, everybody’s onboard with this inflammation causes all these diseases, but they’re missing all of the literature around the fact that inflammation blocks detoxification. To understand that, you just have to see that inflammation is a prooxidant thing. If you’re inflaming in response to the presence of a bacteria, you’re going to try to kill the bacteria with prooxidant compounds. Your macrophages and all of your immune cells are going to make hydrogen peroxide, hypochlorous acid. They’re going to throw prooxidants on these and when they do they’re going to turn down the antioxidants, and all of the detox system is in the antioxidant system.
Dr. Chris Shade: All the literature’s out there to show this, the endotoxin, your primary inflammagen that’s coming from leaky GI tracts is contrary to detoxification. It turns it down and it makes a toxin that’s say two units of toxicity on this arbitrary scale. Now, the toxin plus the endotoxin and its associated inflammation, now makes it eight to 10 units of toxicity. All that literature is out there, but they’re just trained in this very quick… They’re harried, they’re overworked, and they don’t want to think about the mushy, gray zone of where all of our biochemistry really is.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, it’s a lot of work to learn all of this stuff and a lot of doctors I think don’t want to take their weekends or do extra training, or they don’t get any benefit necessarily.
Dr. Chris Shade: No. They’ve gotten sucked into that insurance model where they got to see a different person every 10 minutes and they got to prescribe a drug or two drugs or three drugs on every visit and that’s what turns this over. Then, this standard of care is buoying that up and so as long as they’re doing that, they’re giving you two or three drugs, they’ll never be sued and the insurance company, it’ll reimburse whatever they do reimburse and they’re just stuck on that treadmill. To get out of it, it takes a lot of time, and then you go into functional medicine, and then you realize you’ve got to spend a whole bunch more time with each patient, but that’s where it’s all got to go.
Wendy Myers: Yes. Yeah, and when you go to your medical doctor, when people listening to this podcast have some insight, “Oh, maybe heavy metals are causing my symptoms.” They go to their medical doctor, the doctor visit typical blood test on their patient, and so tell us, what are the drawbacks? What are the problems with checking for heavy metals with the conventional medical tests? How is your blood test very, very much different than the conventional blood tests that is covered by insurance for most people?
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, well, there’s two things. One is your reference ranges and what you consider toxic or nontoxic. The medical world’s all built up and it’s, “Where’s the flag?” When the lead is above this level, the flag goes off and you freak the heck out, and if it’s below that level, and it could be 2% below the flag level, and you’re like, “There’s no problem.” Having a more refined and subtle look at what levels are and what they mean and how, “Wow, I’ve got five of them in a pretty high percentile but not flagged, this is a big problem.”
Dr. Chris Shade: Then, for certain metals there’s what’s called speciation. What form are the metals? For mercury, there’s two main forms of mercury. There’s inorganic mercury that you’re getting from the dentistry, and there’s methylmercury that you’re getting from the fish, and then there’s the fish form that’s called methylmercury breaking down into inorganic mercury. In the end, you only have methyl and inorganic mercury, and in the blood, blood’s really… Without speciation, it’s showing the methylmercury. If your mercury source is from eating tons of high-mercury fish, you’ll flag high on a traditional blood test.
Dr. Chris Shade: If it’s more from the dentistry, you’re not going to flag high. Your urine might flag high, but that’s only if your kidneys work. Your blood can build up this big reservoir of inorganic mercury. If your kidneys are damaged, it’s not coming out in the urine. You’re not seeing it there, so it’s totally missed. When you do the speciation and you look at the two forms individually and they both have their own reference ranges and they’re like 15-fold different where the 95th percentile is. Now, you say, “Oh, this one’s building up. It’s not coming out in the urine. This is a big deal.” The total mercury, which is what they look at like at Quest, hasn’t gotten that high.
Dr. Chris Shade: You need to separate out different forms. Arsenic will be the next one that we separate out because there’s one form of arsenic that’s a lot worse than some of the others, and so having that refinement of it is a really important thing. For mercury, you need to look at blood, urine, and hair all together, with speciation, to get a good picture. With the other metals, you need blood, but these reference ranges that they have are more like, “Wow, now you’re going to die toxic”, versus like, “Well, we got to think about this toxic.”
Wendy Myers: Yeah, and that’s my biggest complaint about heavy metals testing besides yours, the mercury speciation is the lack of differentiation between some level of metals that we need a little bit of, but too much is toxic, and the different forms that can be toxic or not, like you mentioned arsenic, and not only minerals as well. There’s forms of minerals that we need and some levels and forms that are very, very toxic to us, so the tests today don’t show us that.
Dr. Chris Shade: Like copper.
Wendy Myers: The tests today don’t show us that. Yeah.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, like copper and manganese, and so there’s an ideal range. There’s, “Oh, now I’m deficient on copper”, and, “Now, I’m excessed on copper.” Excess copper is freaking crazy. Well, it makes you crazy. Then, there’s manganese, and there’s deficient on manganese. Now, you can’t make a lot of your superoxide dismutase enzymes. Then, there’s excess manganese, and that’s associated with a lot of the Parkinson’s disease. The welders who worked these manganese rods, they get these crazy manganese toxicities and have terrible neurological problems. Selenium, too, deficient and excess. There’s so many. It’s a sophisticated world and all you need is a good testing partner, being a lab that’s giving you ranges that says, “This is too low, this is too high.”
Dr. Chris Shade: One of the things where things kind of went sideways is all that challenge testing using urine reference ranges for unchallenged urine. When you take a chelator, certain levels… A bunch of metals that aren’t touched at all and certain metals are very rapidly drawn into the urinary flow and boom, you go way over the… “Oh God, I’m over the reference range. I’m off the chart.” Everybody’s off the chart when you take enough chelator.
Wendy Myers: That’s true, that’s very true.
Dr. Chris Shade: And so then the square medical world seized on that. They’re like, “Oh, that’s kind of fraudulent.” It’s like, “Yeah, it is.” That should have been done differently. It’s all about relativity. When is it too high? When is it okay? What about three or four metals that are all pretty high but not really high? Are they synergistically toxic? That’s the conversation that has to be had. That’s a sophisticated conversation.
Wendy Myers: I think another problem when people go to their medical doctor to get a blood metals test, one, it’s only testing for metals, the big four, arsenic and mercury, lead, and cadmium. That’s typically going to be a false negative where almost always the tests are going to register as not being toxic because the body will sequester these metals away in different tissues and fat tissues and other areas. They’re not always going to show in the blood, even if you have them in your body. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah. Let’s unpack that because there’s a lot of mythology around that, even in the statements. The blood is always in a certain equilibrium with the rest of the body. Now, you can have inflammatory states sequester, and so you can have the tissue like let’s say the thyroid. You have thyroiditis. You have inflammation in there and it’s going to sequester, and so its levels are going to be higher relative to the blood than in non-inflamed organs. There are these places where you sequester. There are emotional ways that you hold things in certain areas and they’re probably associated with autonomic function causing inflammation or hyperperfusion into those areas.
Dr. Chris Shade: It’s not like the blood’s not showing anything, it’s all hidden away from you. There’s this idea that the blood only shows for a couple days and then it all goes into the tissues, and that was kind of made up because when you take a bolus dose of a metal in, it will be really high in the blood for a couple of days until it distributes into the tissues. Then, it’ll be in equilibrium in the tissues, but the reference ranges are… The problem with reference ranges is that they’re showing a place in which somebody’s decided that’s where things are dangerous. That’s where things are dangerous for 95, 99% of the population, but there’s 20% of the population where everything’s much more dangerous at a lower level, and so bringing down those reference ranges.
Dr. Chris Shade: Like for mercury, people use 10 ppb and the 95th percentile’s more around seven ppb. You really want to wait till you’re at the 95th percentile for mercury? We have… Even the EPA says, “Well, at 5.6, here’s where we start to get advanced risks for birth defects in women.” Here, we’re way below the 10 already, and then even the guys who developed that said, “Well, you know, that’s too low for people with higher resistance and it’s too high for people with low resistance.”
Dr. Chris Shade: Knowing where you are, you’re not just flagged or unflagged, but, “I’m at this percentile”, and teaching the doctors, “Here’s where I start to worry about things. Here’s where I really worry about things. If this is in combination with a high copper, now I’m really going to worry about it.” Starting to create a decision tree like that, because if you go into the whole like, “Well, it’s all sequestered”, well, then what are you going to do?
Dr. Chris Shade: Now, you’re going to the challenge test. Now, you’re believing this falsehood that the challenge test goes into the cells and takes this hidden amount out. The only time that that happens is if it’s stuck in an organ or around the nerve plexus and you go in and you go in and do neural therapy with DMPS and you find some area where inflammation was hiding a larger amount.
Dr. Chris Shade: Doing systemic DMPS is just taking whatever levels in the blood and putting a multiplier on it by flushing more out through the chelator. Then, it’s only if the kidneys are working because the same transporters that normally move metals out are required for the DMPS and DMSA conjugants. We got to get away from the mythology that systemic chelator shows you a body grid. All it does is put a multiple on the urinary levels that were in there already.
Wendy Myers: Yes, yeah, and so I guess what my point was is that when you go to the medical doctor and ask for a test, that it can show false negatives because their reference ranges are too high.
Dr. Chris Shade: That’s the bigger one, yeah.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, and you may have to have had a recent exposure to register on that test. When it’s in your tissues it’s in your body, and also chronic low levels of heavy metals are a huge problem. You don’t have to have this acute level if you had dozens of metals at low levels.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, yeah. Multiple chronic ones is a big, big deal.
Wendy Myers: Yes. Yeah, and so let’s talk a little bit about maybe some of the top reasons that interfere with someone’s ability to detox. We know there’s a certain part of the population, they had impaired genetic ability to detox and these people can have a tendency to build up toxins in their body, which ironically makes them more and more sick. I think probably like the sicker someone is the more likelihood they have of a toxin buildup or inability to detox. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe if we broke it into three bins. You’ve got genomics, and I’m making sure I like how this looks because we’re making this up right now, but this is an evolution of 20 years of talking. This could be something very good. All right, so you’ve got genomics, you’ve got inflammation. Let’s just call it inflammation, and then you’ve got autonomic state. Okay, so genomics, this is what people like to go after because it’s very reductionist, and so we like that in our reductionist thinking. The genomics, say you’ve got the best genes and that gives you a hundred percent capacity for some aspect of detoxification.
Dr. Chris Shade: If there’s 10 aspects, you’ve got 10 genes there, and so say glutathione S-transferase, so I’ve got great glutathione S-transferase genes that the snips are just the normal best function. I got a hundred percent. Then, you’ve got… If we just take one of them and I’ve got a heterozygous mutation and now I’m down to like 80% function, and then I’ve got homozygous, two bad copies and now maybe I’m down to 70 or 60% function. There’s a relativity there, and that’s a relativity that’s a good one to start with the medical world because you can’t deny it. It’s got all this research around it and you can measure the damn genes. All right, so that’s one of the relativities.
Dr. Chris Shade: Now, we go over inflammation. Inflammation and detoxification are polar opposites. Inflammation is prooxidant. Detoxification is part of the antioxidant activity, so you turn it down, so when inflammation is up, detoxification is down. Now, how much down? In some of these animal studies where they beat on these things and jacking endotoxin and turn up inflammation, you see as much as a 60% drop, so you could be down to 40%. If you’re 40% from the inflammation on top of 60% genomics, now you’re functioning at 20 or 30% of your maximum.
Dr. Chris Shade: All right, so inflammation is coming. Now, let’s use like our villain here of an inflammagen is endotoxin, and so endotoxin are little pieces and parts of bacteria that get into circulation and your immune cells are very good at recognizing these cell membrane parts and thinking, “Oh my God! There’s E.coli or there’s some bacteria in circulation, like a septic type of infection.” They wind up inflammation. They even invoke different genes that let them get to the highest level of inflammation to kill what they perceive as an intense threat.
Dr. Chris Shade: Where do we get endotoxin from there? The biggest source is leaky gut, so GI permeability, but any locus of inflammation, that’s why in the German biomedical approach, they talk about toxic foci, focus of toxicity, and these are usually infectious things. This would be like a root canal infection, a cavitation or jawbone infection, a sinus infection, or a more common infection like a UTI. Those are all dumping endotoxin.
Dr. Chris Shade: Oh, my favorite sort of new discovery around that, but it’s like, “Of course, duh”, periodontitis. Periodontitis is associated with this huge inflammatory burden and now there can… They had connected periodontitis with heart disease a long time ago and they thought it was like from treponema. Treponema is like a… It’s a spirochete like Lyme is and it lives in bad gums. It gets into your blood vessels and it kind of drills these holes into the blood vessels.
Dr. Chris Shade: The endotoxin burden is what’s really generating the long-term cardiovascular difficulty. Now, they have correlation between periodontitis and depression. What’s depression? It’s an inflammatory disease of the brain. All right, so inflammation, endotoxin put that in that middle bin. Then, we have the autonomic bin. There’s a lot of crosstalk between the inflammation and the autonomic bin, but what’s the autonomic bin? Autonomic nervous system.
Dr. Chris Shade: What are your two poles? You have sympathetic and parasympathetic. Sympathetic is fight or flight. Parasympathetic, rest, digest, repair, regenerate, detoxify. Ideally, we’re kind of going back and forth like this, “Oh my God! There’s something there. Got to do it quick!” It’s not just threat. It’s not just, “Oh my God! There’s a tiger coming out of the woods. He’s going to kill me. I got to deal with everything.” It’s just, “I got to do something.” All day long, “I got to do something”, and then, “All right, I’m done with the task.” Now, we’re parasympathetic.
Dr. Chris Shade: When we got to do something, we’re sympathetic. There’s a prioritization change. Now, we deprioritize all of the parasympathetic stuff, all of the regeneration, all of the digestion, detoxification, and we prioritize the musculoskeletal and brain activity of dealing with it or running away from the tiger. If you’re constantly in sympathetic drive, you’re constantly deprioritizing detoxification, and so if we let our mind stream and our daily activity, our routines get habituated into always being afraid of the thing that’s going to happen and always being on like this, we are constantly deprioritizing. There’s this reflexive mechanism between that because it’s working through a certain neurotransmitter called a glutamate receptor.
Dr. Chris Shade: The sympathetic/parasympathetic yin/yang balance is mirrored in the glutamate GABA balance and the neurotransmitters, which constitutes 80% of the neurotransmission in your brain. It’s an inhibition of the GABA or the excitation of the glutamate. Glutamate, when it hyperfires, starts creating anxiety and brain fog, which are pathologies in the sympathetic side. Now, they have a reflection in the liver by shutting off bile flow of the liver.
Dr. Chris Shade: When we talk about how detox works, we’re going to see how proper detoxification is intimately coupled to bile flow because the bile transporters and this shutting off of bile is not locking up the gallbladder. It’s happening in the cells of the hepatocytes, the liver cells, in their transition as they release bile into the bile canaliculis, the little looplets in the bile tree.
Dr. Chris Shade: There’s a block from the sympathetic that locks that movement of bile and the transporters that move bile also move the toxins. As soon as you stop moving bile, you stop moving toxins, you get this cholestasis, and then the liver eventually dumps its toxic load back into the blood and recirculates the load. When we’re stressed, we’re locking up bile flow, we’re locking up detoxification on autonomic prioritization, and physically on the liver axis.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, and stress is one of the biggest… the lowest hanging fruit in the things we can address to improve detoxification.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah stress is the sympathetic lock.
Wendy Myers: Yes. Yes, exactly, and that prevents us from detoxification and there’s so many stressors acting on us that I think people don’t realize they’re stuck in sympathetic mode, that their bodies are always in this fight or flight mode. With nutritional stress and with EMFs and electromagnetic fields and Wi-Fi, there’s just so many different stressors acting on people that prevent detox that I talk a lot about that people need to address, including emotional trauma and things like that.
Wendy Myers: Let’s talk about why we need to assist our livers to detox today. What are some of the top nutrients to facilitate liver detox? What does it look like for you in an ideal world to support the liver?
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, so you need to couple… There’s this thing called the phases of detoxification, and that’s this chemical system of handoffs of these activation of a toxin, linking it together with one of your biomolecules. It’s like a chaperone for it, and then putting it through a transport system. The end of the transport system is dumping it into the bile, and so you need that bile flow and you need these winding up reactions.
Dr. Chris Shade: You need to couple the phases to the bile flow. A lot of people just look at stimulating the phases, but they don’t look at coupling that to the bile flow. Stimulating those phases, when you take something like lipoic acid that does stimulate those phases but doesn’t stimulate bile flow, it can stimulate the action of detoxification, not just in the liver, but in the rest of the body. It’ll start mobilizing toxins, but it won’t connect it to the path out.
Dr. Chris Shade: I want to first ensure that the bile flow aspect is supported and we support that with bitter compounds, and a lot of this is traditional herbology, so traditional compounds like gentian, dandelion, Solidago. We use a lot of myrrh, which is traditionally used in Ayurvedic medicine and I like importing that in with the traditional Western herbs for the Bitters combination. Phosphocholine is one of the key parts of proper bile flow because it’s being pulled into the bile all of the time to thin the bile out and to blend with the bile salts so the bile salts don’t dissolve the canalicular tree. PC and Bitters is the key to that, and then we can upregulate aspects of those phases with things like lipoic acid, silymarin. The dandelion also works on the phases.
Dr. Chris Shade: At the same time, we need to control some of the inflammatory reactions. The immune system gets really unsettled in a toxic environment. It has a certain psychosis where it’s hyperreactive. It’s allergic to foods, the mast cells are firing all the time, yet it’s ignoring things like the viral load. The things that we use for that would be like diindolymethane, crest and luteolin, those are mast cell stabilizers. The diindolymethane shifts the immune, the TH dominance towards T regulatory dominance, which is an immunopacifying dominance. Dimence has a lot of functions way beyond what people associate it for with estrogen, and so it unlocks a certain blockage of the liver. It’s a blockage in the Nrf2 pathway that you get from mold exposures. It sort of restores the functioning there at the same time. It’s stabilizing against this reactivity.
Dr. Chris Shade: You’re winding up phases, you’re stabilizing the immune system, coupling it to the drainage of the liver, the bile flow. Then, the last step is to come in with binders because once all of those toxins move down there, they hit the GI tract, they irritate the GI. Many of them are of a chemical nature where they just reabsorb. Methylmercury, for example, has about a 95% efficient reuptake mechanism. The binder, if you couple all of this together, wind this all up, dump the bile, and half hour to an hour later go in with the binders, you catch all of that load that came out and you have a really stable yet really powerful detox. We call that push-catch.
Dr. Chris Shade: In fact, there’s aspects of those that activate part of your cardiometabolic mechanisms, so what’s called AMPK activation, that burns off the fatty accumulations that are in the liver, too. When you’re doing this right, it’s not just moving toxins, it’s also bringing up cardiometabolic clarity, it’s increasing autophagy, which is eating old, dead cells and stimulating their renewal. There’s a whole renewal aspect for the liver, which is a faster renew if you give it the right triggers.
Dr. Chris Shade: When we do it this way, we see fatty liver clears, liver stagnation, bile sludge, bile stones, the whole things clears up and there’s this metabolic clarity that comes with it as well.
Dr. Chris Shade: My vision.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, so you have a line of amazing supplements called Quicksilver Scientific, so let’s connect each of those phases you just discussed-
Dr. Chris Shade: Sure-
Wendy Myers: With a specific product you employ to help the different phases of liver detox.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, and so we’ll talk about the different products that do that and then the protocols that put all of those products together, and some of the products where it’s all mixed together into one thing as our push-catch liver detox. We have multiple aspects in there. In fact, we have the Bitters, so we have Bitters No.9 and BittersX are our two Bitters formulas, especially if you have a really bile problem and it’s affecting digestion, you can have that as a standalone. It’s also in this combined liver product.
Dr. Chris Shade: Then, the immune stabilization, we have a product called Hista-Aid, which is quercetin, luteolin, and DIM, and that’s stabilizing immune reactivity. That could be on its own if you’re really prone to mast cell activation and food reactivity. Or, it’s also in this Liver Sauce as part of this push-catch. Then, lipoic acid you can get either in the Liver Sauce or with the vitamin C or lipoic, and that’s really winding up the tissue-level dumping of the toxins. The milk thistle, the silymarin, can be taken alone or it’s in the Liver Sauce.
Dr. Chris Shade: All of those things are together in that Liver Sauce and phosphocholine you can have alone as pure PC. If you’re really just trying to open up liver before do systemic detoxification, you could take Bitters and PC and couple it to the binder called Ultra Binder. Ultra Binder has a blend of charcoal, zeolite, chitosan, are proprietary metal binder IMD, and cassia gum and aloe to soothe the GI tract. The push-catch, you take the Liver Sauce, with or without add-ons, and that’ll mobilize all of this stuff and dump it with the liver, dump it with the bile, and then a half hour later, you take the Ultra Binder and that’ll catch it all.
Dr. Chris Shade: Then, a half hour later after that, you can eat or don’t eat, if you’re intermittent fasting. In fact, if you cobble this to intermittent fasting, you’re going to get more of the cardiometabolic benefits. You’ll start getting more insulin sensitization. You’ll clear out fatty liver. You’ll start mobilizing glycogen, mobilizing fat stores, and that’ll be part of your detoxification as well.
Dr. Chris Shade: Then, add-ons to that, when you take the Liver Sauce, if you’re trying to round up metals or mold toxins, then you’ll add on glutathione. We have a lot that goes with glutathione. You’ll take that at the same time as the Liver Sauce, and one of my favorite add-ons is CBD, especially the full-spectrum CBD. The CBD brings down neural inflammation. It quickly corrects your glutamate/GABA balance, which corrects your autonomics, which allows you to have more of a parasympathetic state, which allows you to detox.
Dr. Chris Shade: In fact, when we started using that with the autistic kids, oh my God, we could go so deep into detox protocols without them hyperreacting. That calming the brain and then stimulating all of this liver activity was a great, great combo.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I love that. I took the CBD last night and I think it’s a great way to stimulate-
Dr. Chris Shade: Oh yeah.
Wendy Myers: The endocannabinoid system to enhance detoxification and reduces stress also, which helps.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, so CBD works… I call it neuro-endo-immune poise. Poise means balance, neuro is your neurotransmitter, and it’s very well-known for that, but it’s known for being an inflammation quencher, too. That’s the immune part and it’s on the immune cells there’s cannabinoid receptors. It acts as sort of a dimmer switch, when they’re all fired up and they’re like, “Where’s the fight? Where’s the fight?” There’s no fight and they’re winding up the inflammation, and so it’s dimming that down. It’s working at a neurological level, it’s working at immunological level to dim that down, too, and even at a hormonal level.
Dr. Chris Shade: In fact, the organ which I don’t have, that has the greatest density of cannabinoid receptors is the uterus, and so as we move in farther, we’ll find more of its hormone balancing. In the uterus, it’s the cannabinoid are interacting with estrogens to prepare the lining of the uterus for implantation. It’s that fundamental, and so this balancing act of CBD is so crucial because if there’s anything describe our problems now, they’re imbalance problems.
Wendy Myers: Yes, yeah, and I think a lot of people have trouble making bile, especially women as they get older. People just have stress and a lot of different things that reduce bile flow. A lot of people don’t like bitter foods. They don’t have bitter foods in their diet, and I love that your BitterX has not only bitter herbs, but it has the liposomes. It’s in a liposomal formula, the phosphocholine, the PC you talked about, which is a raw building block to make bile.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, absolutely, and so it’s part of the bile flow. What’s also in the BitterX is, remember, I mentioned the use of myrrh, and so myrrh is used all throughout Ayurvedic and all the gynecological formulas because it’s great at pushing out stagnation, stagnated blood, so pushing stagnated blood out of the uterus. It’s also great at pushing stagnated bile out of the liver, and for women, the gallbladder and the bile flow is a bigger problem than for men. Now, why is that? Estrogen blocks that bile flow. Estrogen dominance immediately locks that up, and estrogen dominance creates glutamate dominance in the brain, which is putting you in the sympathetic.
Dr. Chris Shade: That’s why estrogen dominance creates anxiety and irritability. What’s the antidote to that? It’s progesterone, right? What does progesterone work on? It works on the GABA receptors on the parasympathetic side. In fact, I have a nanoparticle progesterone that may wife makes me take sometimes when I’m being an asshole. It’s amazing at opening up the lever, too. That’s how you taste it, the taste of it is bitter. Progesterone is incredibly bitter. If you ever have a progesterone tablet, chew it up and you’re like, “Oh my god, it’s a Bitter.” That’s how the whole thing works together.
Wendy Myers: What is the product called that a liposomal progesterone?
Dr. Chris Shade: Well, it’s not out yet because I’m not sure that I’m legally allowed to sell liposomal progesterone.
Wendy Myers: Oh yeah.
Dr. Chris Shade: And so it might end up being a topical. I’m trying to get alert to find something in the law where I can sell this nanoprogesterone because it’s a wonder. I can do the ETA. We’re going to have a hormone line come out in Q1, and the nano ETA partitions into testosterone and estrogen very, very quickly, much more than when you eat ETA. In our testing, we can fill up perimenopausal and menopausal women’s buckets of testosterone and estrogen with just the DHEA, but the progesterone’s a little bit harder to do because it’s upstream from DHEA. If I could just get a little progesterone in there, but it’s been a wonderful product in the internal world of Quicksilver here.
Wendy Myers: Okay, great. Let’s talk a little bit about metals tests.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yep.
Wendy Myers: Let’s talk about the best heavy metals tests. You’ve developed some metals tests yourself and I want to talk about your blood heavy metals test. Well, I know you have your Mercury Tri-Test, but let’s talk about the one where you’re testing multiple metals so the people get a picture of what their metal load is.
Dr. Chris Shade: Right, right. The Mercury Tri-Test is the blood, hair, and urine, separating different forms. You’ve got both forms in the urine, you got… I’m sorry, you got both forms in the blood, inorganic in the urine, methylmercury in the hair, and you’re relating hair and urine to the blood to look at those excretions patterns. Then, the blood metals test, you got nutrient metals and toxic metals. Your nutrient metals are crucial. This is calcium and magnesium, copper and zinc, and you’re looking at ratios in those. What’s your copper-to-zinc ratio? That’s a big determinant of toxicity of other metals. Calcium-magnesium ratio, that’s a big determinant of inflammatory states.
Dr. Chris Shade: Then, you’ve got metals that are co-factors in detoxification like selenium, cobalt, manganese, lithium. Lithium is a big one for B vitamin transport. You’ve got all of those and chromium in there. Then, in the toxic metals, you’re looking at, of course, the standard big four, the arsenic, cadmium, mercury, and lead, but the mercury’s not speciated, so it’s a little confusing.
Dr. Chris Shade: That’s just you only use that if you’re eating a lot of fish. Then, you’ve got a couple of others. You’ve got silver, which silver’s used as antimicrobial therapy, but if you get too much it starts to become a little toxic. Strontium, strontium is put into a lot of bone supplements, and in some of the longitudinal studies, it found that women taking bone supplements with strontium were having neurological problems. That can get to a toxic level.
Dr. Chris Shade: You have to add that we have antimony in there as well. Antimony is in a lot of electronics and flame retardants, and it’s a similar sulfhydryl reactive metal to cadmium, arsenic, and mercury. It’s just a little bit less toxic, but if that gets to very high levels, that’s a problem, too. What are the levels of all of these? How many are high? What’s the copper-zinc ration? Copper when it’s toxic is synergistically toxic with your heavy metals. You look at all as a metals map.
Wendy Myers: Yes. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people don’t realize like, for instance, I had antimony in my water in my old home that I was living in-
Dr. Chris Shade: Wow.
Wendy Myers: And I have a lot of clients that are very, very, very strontium toxic for various reasons. Some of them live next to a nuclear plant. One was like a nuclear physicist that was very strontium toxic-
Dr. Chris Shade: Jesus.
Wendy Myers: From working in a nuclear plant. Anyways, there’s lots of different ways we can get all of these metals and it’s so important to test because none of us are exempt. We all have heavy metals. They’re in the air, food, and water and you’re just being smart if you test for these metals, see what levels that you have. Then, you can link your symptoms and your health issues and your diagnoses to the metals that you have on your test. You can do something about it. You have awareness about the metals that you have.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah. I mean, that’s the key. Which ones are there? What symptoms do I have? Do those relate? What’s my history, too? I mean, mercury is a big one that way where if you have a history of having amalgams, you can get them out. Your levels will come down, but there’s this residual thing and it’s almost like a training to the system. It’s training it to detox wrong because the amalgam, you swallow more mercury than you inhale, and you don’t absorb that through your GI, but it poisons your GI and it blocks your communication between the liver and GI. You start overusing the kidneys.
Dr. Chris Shade: In fact, when you detox someone from mercury using these liver GI paths, you’ll find that they stop having to pee five times at night and all of a sudden their kidney pathways are normalized. It could be 10 years after they got their amalgams out and they still got this pattern going on and you have to reset it.
Wendy Myers: Yeah.
Dr. Chris Shade: Dimensional to all of the stuff like when you detox them from mercury, strontium, they’ll have all of these jaw things. That’s a localized deposition that’s not in equilibrium with the rest of you, and when you start pulling on the body, a lot of this stuff comes out. They’re like, “Whoa, I really feel that there. I really feel that there.” The net is really good for them to get rid of everything.
Wendy Myers: Some people have trouble detoxing. They try to do a detox and they get very sick from doing it. Can you tell us what… I know this is a complex question.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, but it’s a great question.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. Tell us what people are doing wrong, the mistakes people commonly make and like the order in which they need to do things to detox properly.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, so if we go back to this liver pathway and coupling the bile drainage to the detox, it’s the biggest problem that people have. What happens when the bile isn’t moving and you start taking things that move toxins, they build up in the liver and if you can’t get it out with the bile, there’s a doorway out of the liver that goes back into the blood. You’re starting to move all of these toxins. They’re accumulating in the liver because the liver has a door that pulls things in from the blood, and then it’s not able to get it out through the bile and it opens another door up and dumps it all back into the blood.
Dr. Chris Shade: It’s the liver backflush. It’s like a backfire, and then this whole accumulated load of toxins gets blown back into the blood. Where is it going to go? It’s going to go to areas that are inflamed. Remember, those are the areas that are accumulator areas, and so places that are bad are going to get worse when you do that. That’s the biggest problem that people have, so not having the bile flow and then the binders. When you couple the bile flow and the binders to the detox and you can start, like if you’re really sensitive, you can start with PC and Bitters and the binder to get that path harmonized before you add things like lipoic that wind it up.
Dr. Chris Shade: Now, even if you’re doing all of that and you’re following some of our protocols but it’s just not going right, you probably have a chronic infection that’s blocking this and you have to do some antimicrobial therapy. Even like tonight, in a couple of hours we’re going to have a webinar on our Microb-Manager, which is a new antimicrobial therapy. That same way that we do a push-catch with the Bitters and the detox elements and then the binder, now, when there’s too much microbial load because the microbial load’s constantly pushing inflammatory buttons and blocking your efforts at detox, now you’ve got a lower microbial load. We do that with antimicrobials and some anti-inflammatories at the same time. We’ll take that and then couple that to the binder because we got bile flow elements in that.
Dr. Chris Shade: There, instead of detox bile binder, we’re kill bile binder. That’s our approach to doing that, but it’s often people have come to us and they’d done some Lyme testing but everything was negative, but remember, Lyme testing was all based on immunological response to Lyme. If your immune system can’t respond, you get a lot of false negatives. Then, they’ll go, “Well, maybe it’s mercury”, and they’ll test and there’s some there. They’ll be like, “All right, we’ll do that.” Then, they go on our mercury protocols, which involve all of this glutathione system upregulation, giving a lot of glutathione, and by a month into it they feel horrible. They’re like, “What’s going on?” You’d be like, “Didn’t you say you thought you had Lyme?” They’re like, “Yeah. Go back and test it again.”
Dr. Chris Shade: They’ll go back and test it and they’re positive for Lyme because now their immune system, the glutathione’s wound up the immune system and it’s reacting to the Lyme. Then, they take a detour. They go into antimicrobial therapy and start getting that under control, and then they come back and do some more detox. Now, we’re starting to link together the antimicrobial therapy while keeping detox pathways open and moving. You’ll see all of the original Lyme guys like Klinghardt were always trying to do detox and antimicrobials at the same time. We think we’re finding a pretty harmonious way to couple those together.
Dr. Chris Shade: Then, as you get the microbe levels down, then you can stimulate a little bit more detoxification. Even within the antimicrobials like artemisinin, andrographis, these are really strong Bitters and they’re moving bile flow at the same time that they’re killing things. We’re going to use that and we’re going to make them work… couple it to bile flow, couple it to binders, and couple it to somethings like CBD and curcumin that can control the inflammatory states that often wind up as you’re killing things off.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I mean, that’s so important because when people… So many people have infections that are ill, and they have parasite poop and mold mycotoxins and all of this stuff floating around.
Dr. Chris Shade: Viral activity.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, that is stuffing up your detox pathways when for many people they have problems with pooping and peeing and their kidneys’ not working and their liver’s not working very well. They have compromised detox pathways as it is, and adding all of these.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, a hundred percent you got to be pooping and peeing.
Wendy Myers: Yes.
Dr. Chris Shade: Laxatives and diuretics, you need that flow, just going, going, going, going because you’re dumping things into the flow.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, yes. Yeah, and so let’s talk about glutathione for a second. Are there any people or a subset of the population that’s not a candidate to take glutathione or liposomal glutathione and why?
Dr. Chris Shade: Yes, and we don’t know. There’s always like you find these people where it’s like freaking miracle for them. It’s fixing everything, and then these other people where it’s like, “I can’t handle it”
Wendy Myers: That’s the case with every supplement, right?
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah
Wendy Myers: Like one man’s panacea is another man’s poison?
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, in general, but like it really annoys you with glutathione because it should be this panacea. It’s probably around sulfur metabolism. You can give them molybdenum and see if that helps, but sometimes it just doesn’t seem to work, but once you get things flowing and you get the toxin load down, then often you can bring it in. Or it’s a microbe issue and you get some of these out of the way. Then, you can bring it in and it’ll bring you up to the higher level. There’s been a longstanding sort of debate in the Lyme community when to bring in glutathione. Klinghardt would say, “Never when it’s acute”, but when they’re in their recovery phase, then you can bring it in and really bring stuff up.
Dr. Chris Shade: I followed… I don’t lead with glutathione in Lyme and bacterial and parasitic issues, but viral, I always bring glutathione in because when glutathione’s low, interferon goes way down, which is your primary antiviral. All these Th2 food reactivities and environmental reactivities go up, and so the glutathione flips that around. In fact, in some of the herpes cell culture studies, glutathione’s just like totally controls the scene there. In fact, you could put liopsomal glutathione topically on a cold sore and that’ll like slow it way, way down. It’s like, “When do you use it?”
Dr. Chris Shade: Then, there’s cancer. People are worried about using it for cancer because cancer cells have little holes in their armor against free radicals and we’re worried that that’ll fill in those holes and make them less susceptible, yet at the same time, glutathione’s bringing up Th-1 activity, which is part of your immune system which is killing the cancer. It’s probably the same thing. When acute, no, and then when recovering, yes.
Wendy Myers: Okay, great. Yeah, thank you so much for that explanation because it’s just I think a lot of people need to make some distinctions on what products to use and when and ideally detox. Let’s talk about your thoughts on the IV chelation and the one-trick pony doctors out there that this is the only thing they’re offering. Let’s talk about some of the pros and cons of DMSA and EVTA chelation. What are they missing offering this one service to aid detoxification? There’s a lot of very gentler, safer things that people can do, but they need to like lay a foundation to detox before they drop a nuclear bomb on their toxins.
Dr. Chris Shade: Absolutely, and as a preamble to that, Neil Nathan, when he was at Gordon Medical Clinic in Santa Rosa, those guys had about 30 years of experience in DMPS chelation, both IV and oral, some DMSA use. They knew what it looked like and they knew how to support kidney and liver going through this. These guys were good detox doctors and they wanted to test our system out. They tested it out on a bunch of patients and had other ones on their normal system. They’re used to seeing it and they would test it with their challenge tests and with our tests. They came to the conclusion… They said, “Yeah, your testing tracks with the challenge testing and your system is as strong or stronger than DMPS chelation and gets people feeling better faster.”
Dr. Chris Shade: That’s because it supports the underlying problems. You use our system to correct glutathione metabolism, bile metabolism, liver metabolism, and then that’s going to get all of these metals out, but if you want to speed it up a little and you want to overlay that by punctuating this system with some IV or like Huggins used to do or my friend, Todd Levine, small doses of DMSA or DMPS, then you can do that, but you have to get the underlying system working. You’ve got to get liver and kidney working or you’re just going to dump a whole bunch of stuff down onto the kidneys and liver, and if they can’t handle it, it’s going to blow them up.
Dr. Chris Shade: Now, some people have great results like if their kidney and liver are okay, but there’s just like it’s affecting their neurology so badly, and then you give them IV chelators that lowers the blood level pretty quick and they feel better. A lot of people just go off the deep end when they do this, and so you got to start with our processes and our premises and then if you want to overlay pharmaceuticals, you can do that.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. There’s certainly some medical doctors that are doing IV chelation correctly and doing low doses. We’re not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Some doctors are doing-
Dr. Chris Shade: Oh-
Wendy Myers: A great job and it’s needed. It’s life-saving for some people that have really high levels, life-threatening levels, but for some..
Dr. Chris Shade: You said that day-to-day, too. You need that every day. What are you doing every day?
Wendy Myers: Yes. Yeah, it’s not just once a month or once a week chelation, it’s daily detox you need to be doing. Also, IV chelation can damage the kidneys as well if it’s not done correctly.
Dr. Chris Shade: Oh yeah. I mean, Joe Mercola talks a lot about that. He seems to have his kidneys more under control now, but the way Joe works, he learns about something and he just dives right in. When Klinghardt taught him about DMPS, he just dove in and he started just jacking himself with DMPS. He had very severe damage to the kidneys. I don’t want to be where he was then, but he’s doing a lot better. Now, we’re in this age of regenerative medicine, all these stem cells and exosomes and stuff.
Dr. Chris Shade: I just saw him last weekend. He looks great, but he attributes that all to the DMPS, and I went through a lot. I was taking DMSA and, man, my kidneys were in rough shape and nothing was coming out, so I’d just keep taking more. It’s taken me a long time to really regenerate that function, but they’re doing great now.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, great. Let’s talk a little bit about where the listeners can learn more about you, the work that you do, and your Quicksilver line of detox supplements.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, so the website Quicksilver Scientific, that’s the core. You can get an account as a partitionary, you can get an account as a consumer. There’s a lot of information. There’s a lot of education there, but then there’s a whole repository of all of my past webinars on the Quicksilver Scientific YouTube page. You go to YouTube and in the bar search “Quicksilver Scientific page”, and that’ll have 20 to 30 webinars, hour to an hour and a half each, plus all of the little micro videos on all of the different products.
Dr. Chris Shade: On our website on the shopping page, each product has a little two-minute vignette just giving you the quick skinny on that, and there’ll be a lot of videos linked in there of how delivery systems work because that’s the key to why our stuff works is these liposomes and lipid nanoparticles doing stuff that traditional supplementation cannot even touch. Like our Keto Before 6, that’s a cardiometabolic formula with this cute name on being able to be keto all day, and then go out at night and eat carbs again and then do it again the next day.
Dr. Chris Shade: Because you take it… These are things… Berberine, quercetin, Resveratrol, people have taken them all before, but you absorb them so fast and in such a high dose that it flips your cells into ketosis in an hour and a half to two hours. That’s only possible with these delivery systems. We’ve thought through how all of the biochemistry works. Then, we’ve coupled them to these radical delivery systems.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, and I love that because it doesn’t matter what you supplement with, it only matters what you absorb. That’s the key in supplements is these new liposomal delivery systems and there’s other advanced ones coming out. I mean, years and years down the road, but I’ve heard a lot of the different delivery systems and it’s really a game changer for the supplement.
Dr. Chris Shade: Totally.
Wendy Myers: Industry. I’m moving everything towards liposomal delivery if it’s available and for the right product.
Dr. Chris Shade: Yeah, and like every new technology, there’s a… I wouldn’t get into this so much if it wasn’t so drastic, but from quality to junk is a vast scale, and there’s not a lot of people playing on a pharmaceutical level of quality with liposomes and nanoparticles. There’s a lot of just jump on the bandwagon, call it “liposomal this and that”, and quality is this huge thing. We have a lot of education on that and how to just recognize it when your liposomes should be transparent, really, because it’s particle size-based where you get those absorptions.
Dr. Chris Shade: Really look for quality. Don’t be afraid to pay more because, all right, you paid twice as much for this, but it gets you five, 10, 300 times more absorption depending upon what the different compound is. It’s just it’s the technology. I’s really expensive ingredients to do it. It’s going to cost more.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, exactly. Well, Dr. Shade, thanks so much for coming on the show. I love your supplements. I take them personally. I recommend them when I’m detoxing clients and our practitioners are detoxing people. Thanks so much for coming on the show. I so appreciate it. I would love for you to come back on again soon.
Dr. Chris Shade: All right. Thank you so much, Wendy. I’m sure I’ll see you again here.
Wendy Myers: Okay, fantastic, and everyone, thanks for tuning into The Myers Detox Podcast, where we talk everything related to detoxification and answer all of your questions so you can do it right and do it properly. Thanks for tuning in. I’ll talk to you guys next week.