How to Prevent Herx Reactions, Release Stored Emotions, and Rebuild Your Health From the Ground Up
with Kyle Peche
Dr. Wendy Myers
Hello, welcome to the Myers Detox Podcast. I’m Dr. Wendy Myers. Thanks for tuning in. On this show, we talk about everything related to heavy metal and chemical toxicity, the health issues caused by toxins and more advanced topics than you’ll hear on other shows like anti-aging, bioenergetics, and other topics that I’d like to talk about, emotional trauma, for instance. But today we’re gonna talk with my colleague Kyle Peche. He’s gonna be talking about mineral balancing, the emotions that you may experience while you’re detoxing, how to mitigate detox symptoms, and how to prevent detox symptoms. We talk about a lot of interesting topics and frequently asked questions around detoxification, but mainly we’ll talk about how to minimize harsh detox reactions and transform your psychology with detoxification. It is a really interesting show today.
At the age of 18, when people should be filled with energy and good health, Kyle became severely ill. He had brain fog, debilitating fatigue, severe constipation, GI issues, joint pain, skin rashes, and dozens of other symptoms. And for many years, he carried a deep frustration of wanting to excel and achieve but it felt blocked by the exhaustion and mental fogginess. I think a lot of young people today are dealing with that as well. He often found frustration through many conventional and alternative healing systems. After many years of obsessive research, he eventually found his way to health through detoxification and mineral balancing with HTMA or a hair mineral analysis.
He discovered this work as not only a way to create lasting healing, but also a way to enhance one’s physical and cognitive performance. He also felt it to be sort of a spiritual process. With passion ignited from his own suffering, he’s been coaching people on how to achieve the same results that he’s gotten for the last few years. You can learn more about Kyle and work with him at jyotimineralbalancing.com. Kyle, thank you so much for coming on the show.
Kyle Peche
Thanks for having me on, Wendy.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Why don’t you tell me a little bit about yourself and how you got into detox?
Kyle Peche
Like so many practitioners today, I went through a pretty crazy health journey myself. Going all the way back, I never was fully healthy. I always felt kind of disassociated and brain fogged. I didn’t know what it was back then, but I just knew I couldn’t really connect to the world in the same way. I felt like a lot of my peers could, and I couldn’t really perform to the levels of A. I felt like I maybe could deep down, but around the age of 18, I had a real health collapse. It was actually an emotional stressor with my family that really did me in after, of course, years and years and years of an unhealthy lifestyle and no sleep and processed foods and such. But, seemingly overnight I developed maybe two dozen different symptoms, mainly nervous system related, but brain fog was so bad.
I couldn’t have a conversation with people. I would forget the last sentence that was being spoken. I would forget the names of good friends, like people that I knew. I was like, I’ve been there before. It’s so strange. I was having panic attacks, anxiety and my digestion was broken. I had maybe five safe food choices. I had joint pain, muscle aches, no exercise tolerance, awful sleep and so on and so forth. I became pretty debilitated when I was supposed to be at my prime. I was studying to go to medical school and all that. I then got a taste of conventional medicine, which has its applications, but for me it did not work for my chronic symptoms unfortunately.
I went down a very, very long path trying hundreds of thousands in supplements, protocols, practitioners, really going the gamut, diets and alternative health practitioners. And my first taste of health and actually having a breakthrough was when I was introduced to detoxification in around 2018. I learned a little bit about drainage, a little bit about binding, and that was the first thing that actually gave me relief for the first time in my health journey, like lasting relief. And so then I went on, I made several mistakes, doing things outta order, inappropriate chelation, parasite killing, which then made me worse. And then I had to continue to learn from different mentors until I found myself in a very stable place and actually healthy for the first time in my life, which I didn’t even realize. So, long story short, people started asking me for advice and now here I am helping people, go through the same process I went through and find stellar health on the other side. So yeah, it’s been great.
Dr. Wendy Myers
That’s great. You’re using hair mineral analysis, correct?
Kyle Peche
Yeah, that’s my primary tool for assessing cases, although I do often go through basic blood work and I also love really going deep into people’s symptom profile. I think there are a lot of valuable insights about what’s going on in a case if you actually just know how to listen to the little signals that the body gives us.
Dr. Wendy Myers
You said you made some mistakes along the way. You did some chelation, some parasite killing. A lot of people are doing that. They hear something about parasites. They hear something about it, they want to detox, or they go to their doctor and the doctor does chelation ’cause that’s what you’re gonna find in the medical realm. Can you talk about some of those mistakes and some other ones that people make when they’re trying to detox and resolve their health issues?
Kyle Peche
Well, maybe the main mistake I made was generally just waging war against my own body, which is just this whole idea of there’s this disease entity and we just need to attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, and destroy, destroy, destroy. It has its application again in certain situations, but when that’s the only way you’re approaching healing, I think you end up running into a lot of instability. And that’s what happened to me. After I got a taste of the benefits of detox for the first time in my life, I then jumped into parasite killing, and that’s when all hell broke loose. I didn’t know up from down. I was so unstable in my health. My symptoms got so much worse, and I didn’t know if I was pushing too hard, if I was just having an overgrowth of parasites, all this stuff.
What I actually needed at the time was I needed to better build my foundations. And that is why hair analysis and mineral balancing when I was introduced to that later, that’s what made all the difference to actually allow my body to have the resources in my immune system to handle parasite cleansing and actually reap. The fruits from that style of work, which can be incredible at the right time, but for me it was at the wrong time.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Can you talk about hair mineral analysis and what that is exactly?
Kyle Peche
Hair mineral analysis is simply looking at the levels of minerals in the hair using a standardized process. I practice the style of Dr. Paul Eck, which is his way of interpreting hair analysis and all the research he’s done over 50, 60 years taking from many different branches of medicine, like the theories of stress and so on and so forth. So, with hair analysis, what I’ve found is iIt’s not just about looking at deficiencies and toxicities, although that is one of the applications of it. What is very interesting is that when it’s properly interpreted and calibrated, you can get a really good assessment of many different organs, your adrenal glands, thyroid glands, and liver function. You can actually see different states of cellular health, degrees of calcification, cellular voltage, so on and so forth.
And maybe the most important piece of information that hair analysis gives me as a practitioner and my clients as well, is I know what to give them, right? There are certain mineral patterns and certain states of stress that require a different blend of nutrients to really maximize a person’s rejuvenation.
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Dr. Wend Myers
What I love about hair mineral analysis is looking at the minerals, because I think minerals aren’t sexy. People are not focusing on minerals like they should be for their health. And it’s the very foundation of your health. It’s the spark plugs of the body, like Dr. Pollack has said. Can you talk a little about that and why it’s so important to balance them, so to speak?
Kyle Peche
Well, they are, as you said, the spark plugs of our body. I describe ’em as the walls of our inner fortress. They have such a big impact on our immune system and its ability to actually handle infections on our different detoxification enzymes, neurotransmitters, and our ability to digest food and actually receive the nutrients from food as well. When it’s outta balance, it can be very difficult to progress in almost any healing protocol I’ve found because you are not giving the body the resources, it actually needs to handle the work you’re trying to put it through. So it can be really, really incredible.
It really makes up the backbone of all my programs. I think we always need to be thinking about not just removing all the toxins, which as you know, we are in a swamp of toxins that just this environment continues to only get more toxic. But we’re also in generationally depleted times. Generation after generation people are becoming more and more depleted. Their minerals are becoming more and more imbalanced due to a variety of factors like the way crops are being grown and different pesticides that disrupt mineral balance and different toxins that also disrupt mineral balance. So, I find it extremely important for a person to actually have the vital energy, and the resources to be able to handle deeper work of detoxification.
Dr. Wendy Myers
It’s interesting ’cause my cousin, I just put her on magnesium. She’s really having a lot of health challenges and just taking magnesium, she feels so much better. She can’t even believe it. I had that same experience when I had never really thought about taking minerals before, maybe your multivitamin. But when I first started doing mineral balancing with HTE, I started taking magnesium and calcium and I could not believe how much better I felt, like how much of a difference? A lot of people are taking turmeric or they hear something from a global healing center, or they’re taking some herbs or just something else. It just seems like they have to have some antioxidants, but people don’t realize how much they need minerals and they need to focus on that as the foundation of their health.
Kyle Peche
Absolutely. Well, herbs are beautiful and they have so many different applications, but many times they’re being used symptomatically and I feel like what people really need today is a rebuilding from the ground up of their biochemistry. And that’s where mineral balancing can be so useful.
Dr. Wendy Myers
That can take a while. It can take a long time ’cause we are so depleted and stress depletes, all the doom scrolling, all that blue light and not sleeping well, that stresses us out all the EMF and we lose minerals as a result of that.
Kyle Peche
I don’t think it’s realistic. For example, if this is an issue that’s been compounding for decades and potentially generations depending on where you grew up and such, I don’t think that’s realistic to get rid of that in just a few weeks of taking some minerals, even just a few months. It is a long-term process. Of course, you can make some incredible jumps in short periods of time if you get on the right protocol and do the right thing at the right time. Still, this is something that I think needs to be looked at as a lifestyle. How do we change our long-term habits to promote high states of functioning even in the face of all this depletion and all this toxicity?
Dr. Wendy Myers
Let’s talk about detox symptoms ’cause this is something that everyone experiences when they’re doing a detox program, but some other symptoms may not be detox symptoms. That may be something else. Can you talk a little about that? Let’s just start with detox symptoms, just to simplify it.
Kyle Peche
Well, I actually like to make a distinction between true healing reactions and over detoxification. Most of the time what people experience when they’re detoxifying is a stirring up of things that were stored deeper within. As it comes out, you can have a variety of things come up. Usually people experience maybe some more fatigue, maybe some more anxiety, maybe some more brain fog and some degree of that is totally normal in a detox program. Again, this is very, very deep work. The issue I’m seeing a lot right now is that many programs push it way too far. They overwhelm the body’s ability to actually completely drain out and release what is being mobilized from deeper within.
And so they have ongoing detox symptoms, ongoing detox reactions, and I think most of those can be minimized. The thing about them, again, they can be so varied. They can be almost anything depending on what a person is coming to you with and what their symptom profile already is. But again, most commonly it’s anxiety, fatigue, brain fog and maybe some GI distress. Now that is something that happens. It’s up to the skill of the practitioner to try to minimize that. There is a whole separate phenomenon I’ve noticed as well that’s called healing reactions. In mineral balancing is known as retracing. This often happens after a person has built up substantial energy.
They’ve actually already usually been feeling way better on a protocol, and all of a sudden they have this dip where their body actually completes a healing process it wasn’t able to before. It sort of revisits the scene of the crime just to complete everything and clean up the house. This is where people again could have been feeling really good. Then they drop back down and all of a sudden they’re experiencing all sorts of emotions or maybe symptoms they haven’t experienced in years. And then after, usually a short while, it clears out and people feel better than ever. It’s a very interesting phenomenon and any true deep healing program will produce those. Those are just more rare than the common detox reactions.
Dr. Wendy Myers
It’s so important, like you mentioned before, to have a good foundation of your health before you wanna start flooding your body with all these toxins to just add to the burden it’s already dealing with. The body stores these toxins away in our glands and in our fat and our bones. When you start mobilizing those that can really make you feel terrible.
Kyle Peche
You have to approach it very carefully for sure.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Can you talk about some detox symptoms? Some things are like legitimate detox symptoms that people should be looking for, perhaps even expect when they’re doing detox, like mineral balancing or sauna for instance.
Kyle Peche
It would be that fatigue is a very common one, an increase in anxiety, brain fog, and GI distress. Those are the most common ones, especially GI distress is one that happens a lot, just because the nature of the way our body likes to actually release toxins is. It wants to mainly push it out into the colon, into the poop, right through the liver, into the poop, and we should really optimize that pathway as much as possible. That’s why things like intestinal binders and colon cleansing can be so helpful in this journey. But when it’s coming down, it’s very common that you might have some changes in your bowel movements and gas and that kind of thing. Those are the most common ones that I see.
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Dr. Wendy Myers
What kind of things can people do to mitigate these detox symptoms?
Kyle Peche
The most important thing, and I really think it’s mandatory for any serious detox program is to have good toxin binders on board. Some people know the most common toxin binders, your charcoal, bentonite clay, maybe even your earth. Although those are useful in some scenarios, I do find those generally too depleting and not specific enough for things like heavy metals, which is maybe one of the most important toxins people are facing today.
I like binders like pentasol. Citra Cleanse as well, I believe is a really good binder. There’re many others out there. I like Terrace Gel. I like some of the cell core binders, like carboxy. That’s really important. Whenever a person is experiencing more of those symptoms, at least for me and what I teach my clients, it’s a very simple solution. Reduce most supplements, increase your binders, increase your water intake, try to flush your colon as well. So as I mentioned, most toxins are gonna try to come out through the colon, so by flushing it with something like oxy powder or coffee enemas, which I know you’re a big fan of as well.
That can really make all the difference in getting a person out of a funk, so to speak, pretty quickly. I think there’s also a lot of space for limbic system techniques, and emotional regulation techniques as well to help stabilize the nervous system because oftentimes, especially when a person’s been sick for a while and they start feeling better and then they drop back down, they get this panic that gets layered on top. The actual toxin itself is maybe 30, 40% of what they’re feeling. That extra 60% is their actual reaction to what they’re feeling. They get freaked out, they get scared. Why am I feeling off all this stuff? And so do as much as you can to empower people to have good techniques to regulate themselves in the face of something like that, and to begin to trust the process more and more, this becomes a lot smoother.
Dr. Wendy Myers
That health PTSD as I term it is real, especially if you’ve been sick for a long time, you can start to kind of panic that your old symptoms are coming back or they’re even more intense than what you had before you started detoxing ’cause you’re mobilizing all the stuff that caused those symptoms in the first place.
Kyle Peche
I had to do a lot of deprogramming myself. Of course having a collapsed body for that long where you don’t tolerate any foods, you can’t take on any responsibilities or any additional tasks. You can’t really engage with life ’cause you don’t know how you’ll be feeling one day versus the next. It took a lot to begin to really just trust my body again. That is one of the reasons why true detoxification, true mineral balancing and rejuvenation at a deep level can lead to such profound changes, not just in a person’s symptoms, but in a person’s psyche and how they show up in the world.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Why don’t you talk about how to prevent detox symptoms in the first place because it’s very easy to cause them by over detoxing. I think some people start on a detox program like I did and I just would start going crazy and start doing everything and committing a lot of time to it. It’s very easy for people to go overboard and then cause these detox symptoms. So how can you prevent them in the first place?
Kyle Peche
I think it boils down to two main things. The first thing is to really respect the order of operations in this process, because there is such a thing as doing something that could be incredible for you, could really just change your life, but doing that at the wrong time and having it mess you up essentially as what happened to me many times. For example, I’d gone through this journey quite a lot and I had all my mentors along the way. Early on, I tried a high dose of cilantro on my own and I didn’t know the phenomenon of redistribution.
I hadn’t already done a lot in draining and clearing out what was, for example, in the extracellular space already when I brought things from the intracellular space and flooded my connective tissue. I ended up getting so many more symptoms and it was a complete mess. Now that was early on. Way later in my process when I re-approached it in a more strategic way, and of course, at the right time, doing cilantro and my own mercury detox mixture I give people, I actually fixed my lifelong ADHD. I had always felt scattered since I was a kid and couldn’t really focus. And after that, all of a sudden my motivation was Forex. My focus was Forex, and I just didn’t even realize that there was this persistent layer of toxins deep within that was distorting the way I approached and behaved, even though by then I was already pretty high functioning.
Doing things at the right time is absolutely critical, just the way I approach it. I think there are many ways to do it. There are a lot of amazing practitioners doing some amazing work out there. The way I do it and the way I’ve developed this step-by-step approach based on working some really sensitive clients too, is I mainly start with drainage pathways. I mainly start with how are toxins flowing from the cells all the way out into the colon. And within that there’s maybe two major steps, which is healing the gut, restoring the intestinal lining, trying to remove some of the pesticides that destroy our microbiome as well. Glyphosate is the one that everyone knows about today. And then working on the liver, which of course has over 500 vital functions. It is always the engine filter for our blood, always keeping it clean. So, that’s a distinct phase as well. I optimize using binders and high quality minerals.
The hair, tissue, and mineral analysis helps build this beautiful foundation for people to actually handle detox so that when things come out, now, this drainage pathway, this funnel is so much more open and a person also has the energy and the resources from all the minerals to properly take it all the way out. And then you have the binders on board to catch it on its way out as well. So, that as well as other foundations I find are really important. After that, I do find that. In some cases it can be very helpful to approach parasite work. I think a person has to be very stable for that.
It’s an unfortunate truth today that wherever there are toxins in the environment, there are often generally a lot of parasites. There’s a lot of studies done, for example, with polluted rivers and polluted lakes that the more toxic those bodies of water are. The more parasites those fish in there actually have. They’re a cleanup crew, a bile mediator of sorts. There’s no good reason to try to kill them early if your terrain is still extremely toxic. So all this binding, all this training, all these foundations can help do a lot to change your inner terrain, such that you can just put an eviction notice and do a strong parasite cleanse that should be well tolerated by then and actually get full resolution of the symptoms that are being driven by that. Right after that, I usually end with the intracellular space, which is your chelation work. That can be done in a variety of ways, but when it’s done properly, it can lead to more breakthroughs. So that’s the general order of how I approach it. I think it changes depending on the person.
There’s many other factors that need to be considered from the issue we face after 2020 as well with certain medical procedures and certain viruses going around, or things like mast cell activation, which can be a big issue for people early on. I think these are things that are like Lego blocks that need to be brought into a protocol, depending on the case. The other thing that I think is really important to help minimize reactions is to respect the tools. The stronger a tool, the more potential it has to bring up reactions, but also the more potential it has to make an incredible change in your health quickly. You respect the tools by simply implementing things one at a time very slowly, and continuing a dialogue with your own body.
You take something and you tune in, how does this actually make me feel over the next few days? Something as simple as that can go a long way in helping you know what your limit is, what your edge is in this whole process. There’s also a few other techniques I like, the pinch method, which is just like opening up a capsule or taking a powdered supplement and just doing pinches every day until you acclimate to it.
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Kyle Peche
Yeah, and really that’s why the dose is not, in my opinion, what is said on the bottle. Often it’s just what a person can tolerate. So if you can find that gradual, steady progress in a case, eventually it compounds on itself and then you get into exponential returns.
Dr. Wendy Myers
This really showcases the fact that you really need to work with a practitioner when you’re detoxing. This is not a D-I-Y project because there’s a million questions that come up. I think people start doing detox work. They’re usually taking all kinds of supplements that they don’t really need, and they have multiple health issues that need to be addressed in a very specific order, like you said. So it’s not something to be taken lightly. People can get and do get themselves into trouble.
Kyle Peche
I know that from experience
Dr. Wendy Myers
Can you talk about how you address the liver, like how you work on it and improving that? The liver and the liver detox pathway ’cause a lot of people to have problems with their liver. In the United States alone, there’s 100 million people that have non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. And so they’re already kind of behind the eight ball when it comes to their liver function. So anyone who’s overweight, maybe 30 plus pounds overweight or has diabetes or pre-diabetes, probably has a fatty liver.
Kyle Peche
It’s huge for sure. It’s very important. And what’s crazy too is that the liver can fully regenerate too. There was a study done where they surgically removed about 80% of the volume of the liver, and after a little while, it actually regrew to its full size. So you have to put this in context of how much our liver is doing all the time to keep us healthy, for it to end up with fatty liver and liver congestion issues that people have today. I think again, you have to start with the gut, removing glyphosate I like to do early on because that does impact our phase one liver detox enzymes. That can actually start to help the process go. I also like to start with some gentle bitter herbs. You can’t go wrong with some dandelions, some gente and some milk thistle. Those kinds of things can gently start to get the liver and the bile moving. And then sequentially I build up in strength.
As we start to get things moving, then I introduce people to coffee enemas, which is a wonderful technique that Dr. Max Gerson pioneered a long time ago. From my understanding, it does a great job of increasing glutathione as transferase in the liver. So that enzyme that actually takes glutathione and binds it to toxins so it can be processed in the liver. And so it can do a wonderful job of not just processing toxins in the liver, but also encouraging, again, bile flow, which is liquid gold. That is what we use to help digest our fats and our food, but it’s also where all the toxins are stored when the liver is dumping toxins into the gut.
Bile is liquid gold, and it’s all about increasing bile flow when we’re doing liver cleansing. So then within that I like to upgrade the coffee enema as I do that in a variety of ways. You can, for example, do and none of this is medical advice of course, but the coffee enema as I like to have my clients do TKA in there. Tka is a wonderful bile acid that can be taken orally, but works very well rectally as well, to again, support bile flow. People can also do liver herb infusions along with the coffee enemas. Bum Co is a really cool company that’s coming out with these nice herbal blends that you can then just simply add and happy bum. Yeah, it’s an appropriate name.
Dr. Wendy Myers
It’s a good name. It’s so funny.
Kyle Peche
They have this really cute logo too, where it’s like a little drop and then it’s the little butt too, very cute. But it’s very powerful though. I get people acquainted with that. And for me the pinnacle of liver cleansing is having people do liver flushes. So liver flushes are really a mechanical way to clean out a lot of the sludge and the debris that can be stuck in the actual gallbladder. Out of all the liver techniques I’ve found, that’s the one that generates the most breakthroughs for people when it’s appropriate. I have them doing that about once a month in my programs, and that just speeds everything up dramatically.
I like the Global Healing Center Liver Flesh Program. I think it’s a very accessible, simple way to do it, but I also teach people my DIY techniques, like how to do the prep phase, how to do the flush day in a way that’s sustainable and what to do the day afterwards, like binding and potentially doing a colonic to, clear anything out that might be circulating afterwards. There might be other things I might throw in here and there like phosphocholine, but that’s really about it.
Dr. Wendy Myers
You feel like a million bucks after you do a liver flush. I’m always just blown away by how clear my thinking is and how much better I feel after doing that. You have less food sensitivities and all kinds of benefits. Absolutely. You earned it though ’cause it’s a little bit torturous.
Kyle Peche
A little bit, especially when it’s your first few times doing it and there’s a lot of stagnation. You can get nauseous and such, and it’s pretty unpleasant. But sometimes you gotta work for it in this field.
Dr. Wendy Myers
If you wanna learn how to do coffee enemas, there is lots of information on my website. I have podcasts and lots of really embarrassing social media posts talking about coffee enemas as well. But unfortunately I had to take all of them off of YouTube. Apparently, on YouTube you’re not allowed to talk about coffee enemas ’cause it’s a natural cure for a lot of things. It takes care of a lot of issues.
Let’s talk about how repressed emotions can impair detoxification. It’s a really interesting component of detox. I think a lot of people don’t realize, like when I released a lot of aluminum, I had a lot of anxiety and it was really, really interesting. And that was my first introduction to how certain metals can cause emotional issues and vice versa. Can you talk about that?
Kyle Peche
There’s a deep interconnection between these toxins and our emotional scars and our unprocessed emotions. Chinese medicine understood that very well with the different associations like anger impacting the liver and worry impacting the spleen and grief impacting the lungs and such. But, practically what I see in this work is that it’s really important to work on both simultaneously because at times when you aren’t detoxifying, it’s like the emotions are what lead to where the toxins are stored, or where they are, there’s stagnation in the body. And then when you start to actually remove those, then the emotions come up to the surface. I have to really be prepared for that with people because they can all of a sudden start to feel things they haven’t felt in years as it’s coming up. So I try to empower them with different somatic practices and breath work practices to move things out when it comes up.
But it’s very interesting. It’s a deep process that isn’t just physical healing. I think that’s the most basic expression of detoxification. The higher expressions. It’s a full-blown transformation of mind and body, and an awakening of who a person is. I’ve seen many times with my clients, just like with my own journey, I didn’t really know who I was until I removed this mountain of sludge within and metals that were distorting the way I see the world. Most of these are neurotoxins, for example they are gonna impact the way we perceive the world with our senses and the way we think, and the way we behave and the way we approach different scenarios.
And so once I detoxed, I just found myself being myself very easily, these flow states where I express myself all the time. I just didn’t know what that was like until I actually went through the process. So, yeah, it’s huge. There are countless examples I could point to on this. There was a case I had where the person did something extremely scary. They moved across the country and then on a subsequent retest, they actually had a massive elimination of copper afterwards. And why copper? Well, Dr. Pollack and his system show that copper is often associated with feelings of fear, feelings of anxiety and the impacts it has on our neurotransmitters often reflect that. So this person has this huge emotional breakthrough and overcomes a massive fear that they needed to do, and all of a sudden you’re seeing this mobilization of toxins.
Dr. Klinghardt talks a lot about this as well. There was one case I remember he mentioned. Essentially there was a singer out in the east who was chronically ill and they were measuring the levels of metals in her urine. And then all of a sudden after doing some trauma work with her, they uncovered a sexual trauma at the age of 12. Afterwards they saw that the levels of mercury in her urine rose thousands of times above the reference range. I see that over and over, situations where people are releasing a lot of iron. All of a sudden then you see they’re releasing a lot of anger, they’re releasing a lot of resentment and frustration, and it comes up to the surface and goes away and they feel lighter afterwards. So, it’s a beautiful process, but that’s why, again, I think we can’t keep ourselves stuck in a box if we just need to take supplements. We just need to do the physical, because if we wanna really achieve a lasting deep healing, I think we need to work on all levels.
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Dr. Wendy Myers
Anyone that’s listening to this and wants to sign up to go on a roller coaster ride, if you’re in the right place to go on that journey to feeling better, I had the same experience when I was in my early twenties. I had all these mercury fillings. I had about five or six and I just wanted ’em to remove ’cause they were ugly. I didn’t know anything about biological dentistry, so I had them removed improperly and subsequently spent the rest of my twenties probably pretty depressed. Mercury has that neurological side effect of causing depression. I had no idea why I felt depressed or not excited about life. These metals can really have a profound effect on how you view and perceive the world. I totally agree with what you said about really being able to step into your own step into your life purpose. Once you get rid of all this garbage that’s interfering and everything.
Kyle Peche
There are countless studies of that and there are historical examples like the mad Hatters. They were creating hats with mercury and they would subsequently lose their minds. And interestingly, what I see anecdotally is that mercury toxicity often creates this wacky thinking. This spinning, fast-moving mind that isn’t really too grounded as well. Other people, of course, can create depression. It certainly did for me as well. But then there are other ones like lead. When lead was added to gasoline, we had a huge increase in juvenile delinquent behavior and antisocial behavior for the years afterwards. We know that it can often disrupt the dopamine systems in the brain and GABA systems as well. It can then ripple out into people not really behaving the way they would without that.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Let’s talk about the experience you had of depersonalization during your healing journey. I think that’s important for people to hear about that. I think there’s a lot of people feeling very disconnected, very disassociated, wanting to connect, but with other people and just not feeling a part of the world and they don’t really understand that connection to toxins. It’s not something innately wrong with them.
Kyle Peche
I used to think I was lazy. I used to think I was apathetic. I used to think I was unmotivated. I also used to think that I couldn’t really make friends easily or connect with the world easily or have creative flow very easily. I struggled so much even though I was raised on doing piano and athletics and such. For some reason, I just never felt connected to any of these things. I didn’t really feel it in my body. What I then realize is that these are symptoms of depersonalization, which is this feeling of nothing is real or this feeling that you are far away from the world. Often some of the most enjoyable experiences that we have in life are when we feel connected to other people, when we feel connected to nature, when we are fully immersed in the work we are passionate about, or a hobby we’re passionate about, or a loved one, where we can just connect and really just be there. And so again, disassociation and deep PDR.
So depersonalization is this feeling, almost like you’re floating above your body. You’re not quite there. That’s what I experienced for many years. I felt like I was floating above my body. I think a lot of this work really is can we clean the physical body? Can we clean it out so that we can feel more embodied, more present in our nervous systems, which ultimately is the bridge between, if you want to get esoteric, maybe who we are, our soul and the 3D world around us. It’s this vessel for who we are. It’s an epidemic today. It’s not just the toxins. The toxins are playing a big role, but of course it’s these compounded emotions and many times people, instead of feeling deeply into those emotions, they disassociate, they check out and then they contribute to that DPDR.
Today, people are connecting to technology and then disconnecting from nature and the rhythms of nature and other people. So, it’s a very common thing I run into in my practice. I find that, working on all levels and especially things like heavy metal detox can really lead to some wonderful experiences for people, becoming embodied again, feeling music really for the first time in their lives, or feeling the joy of a deep conversation right where they were going through the motions before and maybe stuck in their head, actually feeling that in an embodied present way.
Dr. Wendy Myers
I think people don’t realize how bad they feel, or they’re just so used to having brain fog or having fatigue and that kind of becomes their normal. For me, when I was definitely very mercury poisoned, I didn’t realize how much happier I could feel, or how much more quick-witted or just how much more brain clarity that I could have because I just thought, oh, I’m young. I’m in my twenties. This is as good as it’s gonna get. I think people don’t realize how the levels they can get to if they’re willing to make that investment of time and energy.
Kyle Peche
That’s why again, it’s like the healing of the physical symptoms is just the most basic expression of this work. The higher states that you can achieve, really exploring what it’s even like to be human. We were born into this world and now we’re going uphill ’cause of the swamp of toxins and all the toxic pharmaceuticals and deficiencies that people have accumulated. They’re working against that. It’s a wonderful journey to be like, well, what is the natural state of a human and how high of a state of functioning of energy and mental clarity can you get to?
Dr. Wendy Myers
Tell people how they can work with you and what your website is.
Kyle Peche
My website is jyotimineralbalancing.com. I have a bunch of articles that I’ve written, other podcasts I’ve done like this and information on where people can contact me. I do a lot of coaching programs with people where I essentially go into the trenches with them and teach them how all these things work, how all these phases work, and guide them through mineral balancing as well, so they can live empowered in their health and know how to care for themselves long term. I’m also on Instagram. My Instagram is @kylepeche. You can find me out there.
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Dr. Wendy Myers
I think it’s so important for people to do this type of work because so often people get caught in that revolving door, going to their doctor, trying to ameliorate this symptom or that symptom and they eventually realize that nothing’s working. They’re just getting worse and worse and worse. I can’t emphasize this enough. That’s why I do this whole podcast on detox. You have to add detoxification to your health regimen. It just defies common sense not to do that because we’re surrounded and breathing in toxins in our air, food, and water. It’s very toxic. It doesn’t matter how healthy you are, how old you are; most people are dealing with a pretty good level of toxins and have to do something on a regular basis to facilitate their body being able to release that.
Kyle Peche:
It is like brushing your teeth today. You have to bring in these new habits to stay healthy and happy into your late years.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Well, Kyle, thank you so much for coming on the show. Anything else that you wanted to share with the audience?
Kyle Peche
I think I’m good. Thank you so much for having me on, Wendy.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Okay, great. Everyone, thanks so much for tuning into the Myers Detox Podcast. I love doing this show every week, bringing you experts around the world to help you upgrade your health. Thanks for tuning in
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