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  • 02:39 About Dr. Justin Marchegiani
  • 05:34 Thyroid and its Function in the Body
  • 06:43 Problems with TSH Testing
  • 11:02 Reverse T3
  • 13:36 Adrenal Thyroid Connection
  • 17:43 Healing the Thyroid
  • 21:05 Avoiding Gluten and Dairy
  • 22:13 Effects of Intermittent Fasting on the Thyroid
  • 24:03 Diet for Healing the Thyroid
  • 25:49 Supplements for Basic Hypothyroid
  • 27:42 Glandulars
  • 32:44 Supplementation with Hashimoto’s
  • 34:21 “Normal” Thyroid Test Results
  • 37:40 What Toxins affect the Thyroid
  • 43:33 Importance of Meat and the Sulfur-Containing Amino Acids
  • 50:48 Chlorine
  • 51:56 The Most Pressing Health Issue in the World Today: Misinformation
  • 54:29 Where to Find Dr. Marchegiani

Wendy Myers: Hello. Welcome to the Live to 110 Podcast. My name is Wendy Myers and you can find me on myersdetox.com. And you can find this video podcast on the YouTube channel at WendyLiveto110.

Today, we’re going to be talking about the thyroid and how to heal the thyroid naturally, everything related to the thyroid with our guest, Dr. Justin Marchegiani. He is a good friend of mine. I was on his podcast a little while ago. He’s so knowledgeable and I really like him a lot. I know you’re going to love all the information he has to offer about the thyroid, healing it naturally, the supplements that you need to heal the thyroid and everything you want to know about testing and how to interpret your test results for all you bio hackers out there.

Just keep in mind that this program is not intended to diagnose or treat any disease or health condition and it is not a substitute for professional medical advice. The Live to 110 Podcast is solely informational in nature, so please consult your healthcare practitioner before engaging in any treatment that we suggest today on the show.

I just got back from an amazing health conference with my business partner that I’m starting my Bio Rehab supplement line with. We went to the Baby Bathwater Health Conference put on by Michael Lovitch. It was really amazing. I met all kinds of amazing people, Pedram Shojai and Marc David of the Institute for the Psychology of Eating. I met just a lot of really amazing movers and shakers in the health field. I made some great connections there and it was a lot of fun spending an entire weekend in Park City, Utah with them, very, very interesting.

I got to meet all these people in person that I’ve been following really for years on their blogs and their podcasts, et cetera, but I think my favorite person was Pedram Shojai who was amazing. I met Leanne Ely of SavingDinner.com. She was a blast, just hilarious. I met Steve and Jordan from SCDLifestyle.com and just a lot of people that I’ve had on the podcast already. So it was very enriching for me and really exciting too. I’m definitely going to more of those in the future and meeting my fellow brethren in health and try to save the world with them.

02:39 About Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Today, our podcast guest is Dr. Justin Marchegiani. He’s got Italian last name. He started off his career in the health field working in a surgical center as he prepared for medical school at the University of Massachusetts.

Working in the surgical fields gave him a firsthand, close-up perspective into the healthcare system. He was able to see where it shined, especially in the area of treating acute injuries and trauma. But he also saw its shortcomings, which are most evident in the areas of chronic disease like diabetes, heart disease and obesity, which are our biggest problems today.

This experience shifted his focus from conventional medicine to a more holistic and natural approach to healing where the underlying cause of his patients’ health issues are addressed and not just medicated and surgically removed.

Dr. Justin is a graduate of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst with a degree in Kinesiology and Premedical Studies. He has completed his Doctorate degree in Chiropractic from Life West University and he has completed postgraduate study in the areas of Clinical Nutrition, Rehabilitative Exercise and Functional Medicine so he can offer the most cutting-edge techniques to address his patients’ growing healthcare needs.

Dr. Justin works with a wide variety of patients all the way from athletes trying to increase performance, to heal from injuries, to the everyday person with chronic health challenges. Using a holistic approach, Dr. Justin addresses core underlying barriers to health, which allows patients to heal faster and feel better.

His practice is located in Austin, Texas, one of my favorite cities. I am from Texas. That’s where my heart is. He has his practice all over the world. You can contact him from anywhere in the world to use his services and become his patient. Justin, thank you so much for coming on the show.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thank you so much, Wendy. It’s great to be here.

Wendy Myers: So why don’t you tell the listeners a little bit more about yourself and about your practice?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I have a clinic here in Austin, Texas. I say 80% to 90% of the patients that I see are worldwide. I had patients last week from Saudi Arabia and Europe and Italy, Australia, New Zealand. With technology, we’re able to do lab work and create programs and work with people worldwide, which is great. And typically, we’re dealing a lot with hormonal related issues, thyroid issues and chronic GI issues too.

Wendy Myers: Yes, yes. I have the same thing. I see patients or clients all over the world. And it’s just really very enriching and very satisfying to be able to help so many people wherever they are in the world. So you’re a chiropractor, correct?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. My doctorate is on Chiropractic Medicine and I’ve been, say about the last 5 or 10 years, really specialized more in functional medicine, especially in the areas of the thyroid, adrenals and chronic gut issues.

05:34 Thyroid and its Functions in the Body

Wendy Myers: So why don’t you tell the listeners, if anyone’s green out there, what is a thyroid and what are its functions in the body? So let’s just cover some basics.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A thyroid is part of the hormonal system. It’s like our thermostat of our body if you will. It helps control metabolism. Basically, every cell in our body needs a healthy level of metabolism to function. It’s what allows us to break down food, create energy, create heat, move, et cetera. And the thyroid is an important piece.

The thyroid and the adrenal glands are like the back and forth, brother and sister if you will. The adrenals help manage stress and produce stress hormones that also help us deal with inflammation, produce sex hormones which help us heal and be able to reproduce and be vital and healthy and young. And the thyroid gland produces this hormone called T4, which then gets converted to a couple of places throughout the body into T3, which is really our master thyroid hormone.

Most people on the conventional world, when they talk about thyroid, they’re really talking about TSH, which is a brain hormone. So when we’re talking about thyroid, we’re referring to active T3 thyroid hormone, not just T4 or TSH.

06:43 Problems with TSH Testing

Wendy Myers: Yeah. What are some of the myopias in the typical testing that doctors do? I have so many clients that come to me, “Hey, look at my medical test,” and the doctors only tested TSH, which is thyroid stimulating hormone. What is the problem with only testing that one value?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So TSH, like we talked about, is a pituitary hormone right behind the middle of your eyes there. And we have technology today where we can actually locate the actual thyroid hormone levels, inactive T4 or T3, which is your more active, about 400% more active.

So 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago, we are primarily diagnosing thyroid issues via TSH testing and now in the last 50 years, we can actually look at the thyroid numbers on a one-by-one basis. So we’re at an antiquated level of diagnosing and prescribing thyroid hormone based on TSH.

And how that works is your TSH is like maybe a parent talking to their kid playing a video game. The parents start raising their voice to get the kid’s attention and then if they’re not listening, they may raise the volume more and more and more. So that’s how TSH works.

The TSH starts at maybe a range of one to two. It would be a healthy functional normal range. And then, it starts creeping up to a three, to a four. And then once you hit about 4.5 to five, then you’re in the high range on a conventional setting.

So it’s this inverse hormone, it goes high when the thyroid hormone goes low. And the problem with that is there’s about, according to research, in between a 5 to 10 year gap for that TSH to go on high and there being a thyroid issue – meaning if you’re high with TSH, it probably started 5 to 10 years ago.

The majority of thyroid issues tend to be autoimmune in nature. So there’s autoimmunity where the immune system is actually attacking its own self and the reason why the thyroid function is going down is because of this self-attack. That’s almost always being missed in a conventional setting unless it’s very extreme.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. It’s amazing to me where a doctor will only test the TSH and just look at that as the single marker if someone has a thyroid problem or not. So why not do the entire panel with the autoimmune antibodies, et cetera just to be on the safe side?

And also, it’s frustrating because the patients are at the mercy of their doctor’s advice. They won’t even think of treating a thyroid issue unless a TSH is at five or six when clearly a TSH of a three or four is a subclinical issue. Why wait until your thyroid is just completely toast, your TSH is toast until you begin treatment?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:Yeah, the American College of Endocrinology back in 2003 said we should lower the standards to 2.5 on the TSH. So it’s been clear that really, anything 2.5 or above, we should start looking at it a little bit closer.

Again, why isn’t the TSH good enough? Well, it’s a late stage marker. The receptor sites in the pituitary are much more sensitive to detecting thyroid hormone than the other cells in our body.

My analogy for that is it’s like going outside in a hot day and touching the sidewalk to try to figure out what the temperature is outside. We know the sidewalk will absorb more heat and it’s going to be more sensitive to touch. So we can get a better indicator by just pulling up our iPhone and pulling up the weather app versus touching a really hot sidewalk.

So it’s the same thing. The TSH, the brain is going to be more sensitive to the thyroid hormones. So we’re going to be getting an indirect measure on that.

Once TSH is high, it’s a problem. Now, the issue becomes once you start giving thyroid support, it may come down super low in response to the thyroid support. But when we look at the actual thyroid hormone ranges, they may be perfect in range. That’s the problem. Once you start giving thyroid support to someone that actually needs it, the pituitary will no longer be a good indicator of a thyroid issue. It’s a great indicator of an issue off the bat, but a very late stage indicator of an issue.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, if you have high TSH, you definitely need to be working with someone. But if your TSH is now low after the treatment, you got to look deeper at how the thyroid hormones are converting T4, T3, reverse T3 and your antibodies too.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, that’s a very good distinction. Thank you for that.

11:02 Testing for Reverse T3

Wendy Myers: Also, let’s talk about reverse T3. This is another marker that a lot of doctors don’t test. Can you talk about the importance of reverse T3 and what that means to your thyroid?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, reverse T3 is a metabolically inactive hormone. It’s basically your body’s way of putting metabolic blanks in your metabolic gun if you will. So imagine you get your gun, you put your bullets in it and then you fire those. Those are active bullets. You can do something with those guys.

Now, your body, to slow the metabolism down puts metabolic blanks in it. So it fits in that receptor side. It goes in that cartridge, if you will, that magazine, but it doesn’t have the metabolic effect that that live bullet or that that live thyroid hormone will have.

So it’s your body’s way of filling up receptor sites. It’s like when you come home from work, you put your key and you’re locking the front door and you open the door up. That’s how it functions. And the body knows that and it will gum up the lock so you can’t put that metabolic key in the lock and create a metabolic effect.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. So why would someone have high reverse T3?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s your body’s way of saying, “Hey, you’re stressed. Slow down.” So part of the reason why you start getting tired is your body’s like, “Our stress handling systems, our thyroid are inflamed. We got to actually focus more on healing.” So it slows the body down as a way to cultivate healing inward.

But us – us meaning me and you because we get it. But the average person out there says, “More stimulants and more willpower and more drive and more ambition. Red Bull is how we’re going to fix that.” But it’s not. We’re going to have to look in and adjust what we’re doing food-wise, lifestyle-wise, exercise-wise and even supplement-wise too.

Wendy Myers: I know for myself, I’m always looking for indicators of toxins and heavy metal toxicities in various medical tests and one of them is reverse T3. When that’s over 10, it’s definitely a sign of heavy metal and chemical toxicity as well. So that’s something interesting for patients to note when they’re looking at their own thyroid tests.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, reverse T3 is important. There has been research showing that selenium helps with reverse T3. Selenium is also a precursor to glutathione. Also, on your conventional blood test, an RDW over 13 can also be an indicator of lower selenium, which also connects down to the reverse T3 pathway. And stressed out adrenals (people that have elevated cortisol or depressed cortisol, on the two extremes), that can be a good indicator or a good contributing factor to reverse T3 as well.

13:36 Adrenal Thyroid Connection

Wendy Myers: Yeah. And can you talk a little bit about the adrenal thyroid connection and how they work together in concert? Typically, when people have a thyroid issue, they’re almost always going to have an adrenal issue as well because those systems work together.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, if cortisol goes too high, that’s going to create more reverse T3. If cortisol goes too low, your body can, as a defense, create more reverse T3. So high or low, we can get more reverse T3s. Also, high cortisol, we can also cause TSH dysregulation. Our bodies are actually increasing TSH or decreasing it.

So when we have this super high amount of stress hormone, our pituitary can either go really high, which means the glands aren’t listening and there’s a lack of communication or it can go really low where it’s just giving up and saying, “Whatever, you guys do your thing.” It’s like the parent just walking out of the room and saying, “I give up.”

Wendy Myers: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then also on top of that, like we mentioned, cortisol is needed for thyroid hormone conversion. So if we don’t have healthy levels of it, we’re not going to be able to convert T4 to T3 properly. And we also need healthy levels of cortisol for detoxification and we also need it for building our gut lining and we need it for just being able to regulate inflammation.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So if our cortisol is totally out of balance and we’re inflamed, we’re not going to be able to regulate inflammation. And again, we don’t want to throw gasoline on the fire by giving more cortisol, but we want to fix those underlying stressors that are contributing to that inflammatory fire and then provide the adrenal support so we can address it ourselves too.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. I think it’s really important for anyone listening to this that’s concerned about their thyroid. You can’t just treat your thyroid by itself. It’s a sign of a systemic issue of adrenal fatigue. I believe the root cause of disease is adrenal fatigue. It starts as domino effect of other health issues in the body.

So you really have to be focused on healing your entire body and doing the foundational work with nutrients and minerals, et cetera and not just focusing on trying to heal your thyroid. It just doesn’t work like that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, many people are also nutrient-deficient. So your zinc and your magnesium and your selenium and all these really important nutrients are needed for healthy thyroid conversion as well. And we need the adrenals for healthy sex hormone output. So DHEA, DHEA-sulfate is really important for our body rebuilding. And if we’re inflamed, we need those building blocks to heal.

Our adrenals are hardwired to deal with the stress in the moment versus the healing of tomorrow. That’s how we just evolved. And if we’re chronically in stress, tomorrow never comes because we’re always in the stressful state so we never get that ability to heal.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, yeah. That’s why it is so important to try to get enough sleep every night and try to do meditation and yoga and all these things to counteract our very, very stressful lives and doing everything you can to minimize stress, getting rid of EMFs or reducing exposure to EMFs and just so many little things, so many little tweaks and bio hacks that you can do to reduce stress.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I agree. With my patients, we’re getting them on an anti-inflammatory diet, regulating blood sugar and sleep. And then from there, the first system is the hormones and again it’s ATF, adrenals, thyroid and female hormones. I find in most people with thyroid issues, the adrenal component is to totally ignored.

They’re actually being made worse because they may actually need thyroid support, but they’re being put on thyroid support, which is actually causing them to burn through their cortisol faster, creating an even more deficient cortisol state.

Wendy Myers: And people don’t realize that when you take a thyroid replacement hormones like Nature-Throid or Synthroid or Armour Thyroid, it actually pushes your adrenals. It really stimulates them and really can make your condition worse.

So I think that while thyroid hormone replacement does make sense for some people, some people needed just its function, but it’s not the end-be-all and there are many other things that you can do.

17:43 Healing the Thyroid

Can you talk about some of those things that you can do to heal your thyroid and even get off your thyroid medication?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, just off the bat, just to piggyback on top of that, even Dr. David Brownstein talks about putting people on adrenal support for at least one month before adding in thyroid support. So it’s that important.

So if someone really needs thyroid support off the bat and it’s clear, then they may have to go on adrenal support concomitantly with the thyroid. You want to make sure it’s looked together. But I always at least start the adrenal support first. But if they have an over-thyroid issue, then we’ll do both at the same time.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I think it’s really important also to let the listeners know that you don’t have to be on thyroid medication for life like a lot of doctors will tell you. Every single client of mine, their doctors told them once they start that they have to be on thyroid medication for life. That is a lie. You don’t. Unless you don’t have a thyroid, obviously you’ll never be able to make it.
Can you talk a little bit about that and how you address that and heal the thyroid, so people don’t have to be on thyroid medication for life.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It depends on how long their thyroid gland has been destroyed. I work with patients that may have just a little bit of TPO or TGB antibodies. These are various antibodies, thyro binding globulin antibodies or thyroid peroxidase. These are your compounds that help build thyroid hormone.

And when we start making antibodies, we’re attacking them. Collateral damage happens to the thyroid as well and we get these B cells, which are part of our immune system. They infiltrate the thyroid gland and may create these wonderful follicles out of the whole thyroid hormone. They create fibrotic scar tissue. Fibrotic scar tissue means that tissue is no longer functional and is no longer active thyroid, glandular.

So when it comes to that, depending on how much destruction is there, it depends on how much the patient can fully recover with or without thyroid hormone.

Typically, if they had thyroid TPOs in the thousands over a decade or two decades, that may indicate how much thyroid they need if they can recover. It really depends on how long the damage has been happening for and what other things they’re doing. If they’re eating gluten or if they have infections or they have low nutrient levels or leaky gut, well if they don’t get that fix, they’ll probably need thyroid hormone forever.

But if we get to the root cause and if there’s still some functional tissue that’s still there, still viable and we can help it heal, then we can get as much functional tissue back and then we can figure out what they actually need long term. And that changes from time to time too.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Actually, it goes both ways though. It goes both ways. Some people do need. Some do because it has been 20 or 30 years and their gland is just fried. And some can get back on. So I weigh it all individual.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, absolutely. It has to be at an individual basis. I have heard of clients from other practitioners that have had autoimmune thyroid issues for 20 years and were able to get off their thyroid medication. I think that’s probably a rare case.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It can happen though. I mean, there’s new stuff coming out on lasers too, on lasers being use in the thyroid tissue to help regain it. So I think with some of these other things combined with it and if we’re doing all the other stuff right, there’s a good chance that we can at least regain more than if we didn’t do it.

21:05 Avoiding Gluten and Dairy

Wendy Myers: Yeah, absolutely. So let’s talk about the diet that someone should have if they’re trying to heal their thyroid. You mentioned avoiding gluten and dairy. I think that’s a very, very essential component if you have thyroid issues. Can you talk a little bit about why you want to avoid gluten and dairy?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I even go to a farther extreme. The first month, the two months with patients that we know they have autoimmune thyroid issues, they’re on an AIP or an autoimmune Paleo diet. We’re actually cutting out all grains, not just allowing rice and corn. We’re cutting out all legumes. We’re cutting out dairy, even ghee. And then, also not seeds and nightshades (nightshades being tomatoes, potatoes, eggplants and peppers and even eggs for the first month).

So basically, their diet is meat. It’s non-starchy vegetables, maybe a little bit of safe starches like potato or plantains or yucca and maybe some low sugar fruit like berries and then good healthy fats. So it’s anti-inflammatory, low in toxins and nutrient-dense. That’s the eating plan and we’re really focusing on stabilizing blood sugar, eating every four to five hours to make sure we’re not having our adrenals come to the rescue to bring that blood sugar back up with a rush of adrenaline or cortisol.

22:13 Effects of Intermittent Fasting on the Thyroid

Wendy Myers: Yeah. So intermittent fasting is up if you’re trying to heal your adrenals.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I see a lot of people, especially females, get into trouble with it. I say use intermittent fasting on the weekends when there’s less stress in the day going on. You’re relaxing, you’re walking the dog, you’re watching a movie or reading a book and it’s more of a chill day. Do your IFs on those day where there’s less stress going on.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. That’s a very good tip because I think I have a lot of female clients trying to lose weight, they’ve got thyroid issues, they’re desperately trying to do everything they can to lose weight because their metabolism isn’t working, their thyroid hormones are not working or they’re absent. I think that’s a very good tip.

I know when I tried intermittent fasting in the past before I healed my thyroid and adrenals, I just couldn’t do it. You could feel that rush, that adrenaline rush. That’s not good. That puts stress on your adrenals and thyroid and that will interfere in healing.

Now that I’ve healed my adrenals and thyroid, I can do it and I try to do it as many days as I can because I know ultimately it’s good for [inaudible 00:23:13] and other health benefits. But I can do it now. You have to listen to your body. It’s individual.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, absolutely. It’s individual too. Some people are super sensitive. I’m very, very blood sugar sensitive, so I don’t do it too often, maybe once or twice a week. But get healthy first and then experiment.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You’re better off getting the inflammation down and then seeing what you can tolerate.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, everyone is completely different. I always tell clients and everyone on the podcast that everyone has to do what works for them. You can’t just read a book and just follow the book to the letter. It doesn’t work for everyone. Everyone is different. It’s a never-ending goose-chase.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Regarding the diet piece – yeah, go ahead.

Wendy Myers: Oh yeah, people don’t want to hear that. They just want to follow a recipe in a book.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. I agree.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

24:03 Diet for Healing the Thyroid

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then regarding the diet piece too, we were talking about – let’s just get into the macro stuff. You have your high carb, your low carb, your high fat, your low fat. So I typically default to a more high fat, moderate protein, low carb kind of shtick and eating plant off the bat. And then from there, some people will do better with little more carbs.

So my general recommendation is 50g to 100g of carbohydrate per day, figuring out what works for you and protein, anywhere between the palm to a fist to a full hand, palm, full fist, full hand, three to six ounces per meal, depending on stress, activity level, workouts and digestion. So we customize it and work out the macros, meaning protein, fat and carbs and what you need to be successful.

And then regarding the glutens, the proteins, the amino acid sequence in the grains is very similar to the amino acid sequence in the thyroid tissue. And what happens is we get this mistaken case of identity, molecular mimicry as the medical world calls it where the antibodies that are going out to attack the [inaudible 00:25:06] tissue.

It’s like the police calling the APP for a black Honda Civic and guess what, you’re driving a black Honda Civic, but you aren’t the criminal and you get pulled over. So that’s what happens with our immune system and the thyroid gland.

Wendy Myers: I like that analogy. That’s good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Wendy Myers: The same thing happens with dairy, the proteins and dairy.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s similar.

Wendy Myers: Very similar to our thyroids, those are just out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And pancreas.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. Those are out. I had to break it to you guys if you have gluten and dairy, wheat.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I agree.

Wendy Myers: Just by cutting out wheat, you’ve hit 90% of the battle. That’s still rye. Oats are not gluten-free and barleys are problematic as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely, I agree.

25:49 Supplements for Basic Hypothyroid

Wendy Myers: So you talked about some of the supplements that people need for their thyroid and there’s certainly a different support that people need based on what they have, just basic hypothyroid or Hashimoto’s, autoimmune thyroid issues. So let’s talk about some of the supplements that one would need for just basic general hypothyroid, low thyroid functioning.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. So as long as we have all the adrenal issues supported, that could be some nutrient support for the adrenals, B5, zinc, vitamin C, your overall adaptogenic herbal support to help modulate cortisol (this could be your ashwagandha, your rhodiola, Bacopa, eleuthero) and then various precursor hormones like DHEA or pregnenolone and glandular tissues. As long as we have the adrenal stuff dialed, then we graduate to the thyroid element.

And if you have elevated TSH, you want to get a thyroid glandular board, at least something with some hormone in it to bring that TSH down just from a medlegal perspective. You don’t want to get sued, so you want to make sure you either refer out to a practitioner.

Again, I try to always avoid things like Synthroid or Levothroid or Levoxyl because it’s synthetic T4. And there are some fillers in it that can cause issues if you’re autoimmune (which 50% to 90% of the population are). And even if you weren’t testing for it on your TPO or TGB test, 40% are false negatives. So there’s a good chance that you are even if you don’t think you are.

So we’d rather go with a Nature-Throid. My favorite is Westhroid because it’s got no lactose in it over even Armour. Armour still has some cornstarch in there. So I much rather do a Westhroid or a Nature-Throid.

And I have a glandular that I use in my clinic. That’s one that I formulated that helps knock these numbers down where they well support thyroid. So I use that primarily because I can ensure that there are no additives in it too.

27:42 Glandulars

Wendy Myers: Yeah. Let’s talk about some of the glandulars. I give all my clients glandulars so they tolerate them because they have the minerals in them that help to nourish and regenerate the thyroid and adrenals.

I don’t like to give thyroid glandulars by themselves. I prefer to do adrenal and thyroid glandular and pituitary just to support the trio, the HPA axis. So can you talk a little bit about why we want to take glandulars?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Glandulars are phenomenal. Again, a lot of companies say they don’t have active hormone in it. Again, I’ve seen lab tests that will say otherwise. So there are some potential active hormones in there even if it’s more at a homeopathic level. It’s powerful.

Again, the hormones, like you said, contain the minerals, contain the nutrients. Again, hello, why did the Eskimos not get scurvy up in Antarctica? They got vitamin C, which the deficiency called scurvy. They got vitamin C through eating the adrenal glandular tissue.

So you can get lots of nutrients and lots of minerals and nutrition via the actual glandular tissue, which is great. And then also, there is this regenerating effect where it helps rebuild that gland and some call it protomorphogens or PMGs. They’re the specific proteins that actually help trigger rebuilding of the glands.

So using the glandular is powerful with the adrenals and the thyroid. I think a lot of people make mistakes and only do that as the core part of their program. I think as long as you have it as a part of your program, you’re in a good place. Just don’t make it the be-all or end-all.

And then regarding the pituitary, you can totally do glandulars for the pituitary and/or just really good adaptogenic herbs. One of my favorite herbs for the hypothalamus and pituitaries is ashwagandha. A lot of research says that’s helping with the HPA axis and also it helps with T4 to T3 conversion, which is great.

And it’s really good for iron too for females. There’s some good iron in there too. If we’re dealing with people that have thyroid issues and are anemic, especially our female patients, then that’s going to be very helpful for that too.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. And also the glandulars, there are a lot of schools of thought out there that people with Hashimoto’s should be avoiding glandulars. I’m not of that school of thought. I think people have a lot of benefits with taking glandulars even if they have Hashimoto’s. What is your take on that?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: There are some. I think it’s Levoxyl is one that has Balvidine in it and there are some iodine enriched into the glandular tissue. Again, I think some people may react to that. I always base it on individual basis. I think the majority of people can handle glandulars okay. They benefit from it. It really depends with the iodine.

Now, my school of thought with iodine piggybacking on that is iodine with some people, if their autoimmunity is high, can potentially cause a problem. So the iodination process, which is where your body takes tyrosine, the molecule tyrosine and binds it to a molecule iodine. So you see T4, the T stands for tyrosine and the 4 stands for four iodine molecules. They get bound there by this deiodination or iodination process.

That process spits out hydrogen peroxide, H2O2. Hydrogen peroxide can be inflammatory and can create this whole B cell infiltration where the immune system starts coming in because of the inflammation.

Now, if we have selenium onboard, the selenium comes in there and pulls off an oxygen molecule, making an H2O and it creates water, which we know is inert. It’s probably beneficial. So we can reduce a lot of that inflammation with the iodine by just really supporting selenium.

So my focus for the first three to six months is I don’t do any additional iodine outside of the RDA. If there’s autoimmunity, we focus more on the selenium and the other nutrients so we cool down the inflammation. And if the inflammation is down, then you can tweak the iodine a little more.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, absolutely. I also want to give clients pantothenic acid or B5.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: B5, yes.

Wendy Myers: I find, not so much for the thyroid, for the adrenal glands, anyone who has adrenal fatigue or thyroid issues, they lose a lot of B5 in the urine. So they need extra support about 500mg extra a day of B5.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely! And also with a lot of my thyroid patients, you mentioned the HPA axis, part of the HPA axis is the neurotransmitter dopamine and we know dopamine can get converted downstream into adrenaline by stress. So one of the important things we need is B6, pyridoxal 5 phosphate that allows our amino acids like L-tyrosine or 5-HTP to cross the blood-brain barrier and convert into serotonin and dopamine.

And we need healthy dopamine levels for thyroid hormone activation. Dopamine talks with the hypothalamus. Hypothalamus makes TRH. TRH talks with the pituitary and makes TSH. TSH goes to the thyroid T4. T4 proliferate the T3. That’s the adrenal hormone domino if you will.

32:44 Supplementation with Hashimoto’s

Wendy Myers: Okay. Yeah. So let’s talk about the supplements that are going to be good for someone with Hashimoto’s. Are there any different nutrients that you like or avoid when someone specifically has autoimmune Hashimoto’s?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Off the bat, I will just be a little bit more ginger with iodine and just only give the RDA, which should be 150 to 250 micrograms of iodine and only give that. That would be it. No supplemental iodine.

I would really focus on at least 200 to 400 micrograms of selenium. And then just all of the extra support we talked about (the zinc, 30mg to 50mg of zinc, magnesium, probably a half a gram of magnesium), a lot of this could be found in a really good multi and or adrenal support too, your zinc like I mentioned, the B5, the B6, probably three grams of vitamin C per day and then all of your adaptogenic herbal support.

I typically go with a good quality multi, a good quality adrenal support that has more adrenal-based nutrients and then my herbs and my precursors and my glandulars. I mesh them altogether when I create a program for patients.

Wendy Myers: So when you’re talking about iodine, you typically have a Hashimoto’s patients avoid kelp.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I typically do that off the bat. Again, there would be about 250 micrograms of potassium iodine and multi I typically work with. I find that safe to be working with. It’s when you get into the higher ranges, that’s where I get really just on edge about because I’ve seen a lot of patients reacting, those who have issues with higher levels of iodine.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Early on, early on, for sure.

34:21 “Normal” Thyroid Test Results

Wendy Myers: Okay. Yeah. So let’s talk a little bit about when blood tests are normal and clients are still having thyroid symptoms and thyroid issues. There are very clear indicators of thyroid dysfunction, but their tests are normal. Can you talk a little bit about why that would be?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, most people that I see that say their tests are normal, they’re typically just referring to TSH and maybe T4. So most of the time, we’re not even talking about the free fraction of hormones. About 98% of hormones are protein-bounds when we say T3 or T4. We’re really talking about the protein-bound hormones. That’s number one.

Only 2% actually have the ability to park in the parking spot or put the key in the hole, if you will, right there unbound so they can get in and they can bind in and have a metabolic effect. So we want to look at the T4 free and then also from there, look at the conversion from T4 to T3.

For instance, my T4 range, I like 1 to 1.5 on T4 free. I like between 8 and 10, 7 and 10 on T4 total, above 100, 100 to 160 on T3 total. I like reverse T3 below 15 out to the T3, reverse T3 to free T3 ratio, which is powerful. And I like my TSH below 2.5. That’s a good general range for myself.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. And I – go ahead.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then T3, I take typically in the upper 20s, low 30s, 28, 29, 30.

Wendy Myers: Okay. One interesting thing that I found with my client population is that I have a good handful of clients that come to me that have totally normal thyroid tests. They have the full range of tests and everything is normal, but they have the thyroid symptoms.

And I found that when they have really high calcium levels in their tissues, which I see on hair mineral analysis (you don’t see it in blood, but you’ll see it on a tissue test like a hair mineral analysis) these high calcium levels in their tissues will block the receptor sites in the cell membranes and prevent thyroid hormone from getting into their cells to activate when they have plenty of it floating around. So this is another issue that people have. They need to balance their minerals using hair mineral analysis.

But why does this happen? Why do people get high levels of calcium in their tissues? It’s because of adrenal fatigue. There’s a biochemical process that happens when people have adrenal fatigue and low sodium and potassium in their tissues where calcium will begin depositing metastatically in their tissues and this will cause thyroid problems interestingly enough.

So I found that’s another cause if you have normal thyroid test and you’re confused as to why you have all the whole gamut of thyroid symptoms. That’s probably why.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s called the calcium shield, right?

Wendy Myers: Yes. Or shell, calcium shell.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Calcium shell, yeah. Basically what you’re saying is the imbalance in those adrenal nutrients, they’re low, which does cause calcium to raise in our body. It always put calcium and the tissues are inflamed.

Wendy Myers: Yes, absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s why joints and tissues and tendons and all that leeches it from the bones and et cetera.

Wendy Myers: Yes, absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It makes a lot of sense.

Wendy Myers: And it doesn’t have to be that high. Calcium doesn’t have to be a complete calcium shell, but it does cause lots of problems and it’s very, very common because so many people have adrenal fatigue. So I thought that’s really, really interesting.

37:40 What Toxins Affect the Thyroid

Wendy Myers: Let’s talk about detoxification of the thyroid. I think this is another issue that even if thyroid tests are normal, you can still have lots of toxins built up in your thyroid. Can you talk about some of those toxins and how metals and chemicals affect thyroid functioning?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. Again, we have things that are in the halide group. I think it’s the seventh row in the Periodic Table. Don’t quote me. But these are things like fluorine or bromine. And the bromines are going to come from Mountain Dew. It’s going to come from breads. We’re used to iodize things and now we put bromine in a lot of our breads.

And because that’s in that same periodic table and that halide group, that can go in and pinch-hit for iodine if you will. It can get into the receptor site where iodine will do its job. It can pinch-hit and create problems. So that’s a big one also. Bromines and a lot of the flame retardants, the PBDEs, polybrominated diphenyl ethers, that’s a big one.

These are huge. These typically are water-soluble. So if we just avoid them, avoid the junk foods, avoid the breads, get healthy levels of iodine and eat some good iodine rich foods (as long as you’re not too inflamed), this can help displace a lot of that.

Also, fluoride. There was a study I think just this last year. They looked at people I think in the UK. They looked at two families or two different towns or districts. One was fluoridated, one wasn’t and they saw a significant rise, a statistically significant rise in the territory of the fluoridated group that was hypothyroid. There are more hypothyroid patients in the fluoridated group.

It’s the same thing. That fluoride molecule, because in the halide group, can go in there and pinch-hit for iodine. So those are the two big ones that I’d say we got to be careful of.

The next one would be the xenoestrogens, the Triclosan, which is the natural antibiotic. It shouldn’t be natural. It’s the antibiotic that’s in a lot of the soap products. That can be an issue. A lot of the estrogenic compounds that are in our pesticides, organochlorines that are in our pesticides, a lot of the xenoestrogens that are in our plastics, these are all going to cause problems and antagonize the thyroid hormone and antagonize our thyro binding globulin.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: More estrogen, whether it’s from plastics or pesticides or birth control pills, that can increase our binding globulin and cause it to bind up our thyroid. And if our thyroid is bound up, it’s not going to be able to bind into the receptor site. It’s got to be free so it can go into the receptor site and do its thing.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, estrogen dominance is a big problem because of these xenoestrogens. A woman taking a hormone replacement therapy, that’s actually unopposed with progesterone (which some doctors are still doing amazingly and from birth control pills and other forms of birth control). It’s a huge, huge problem with estrogen dominance.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It is. The first thing we can just all do is just get a really good clean water filter. I have a whole house water filtration system as well as a countertop reverse osmosis that also has a step that infuses all the minerals back in. I also pince salt into my water as well. So I really drink super clean water that’s double filtered and remineralized twice. That’s a big thing.

Eat organic food. Avoid all the junk foods that have bromine in it. Be careful with your mattress. At least get something that you could put over it that’s an airtight mattress cover so you’re not getting the PBDEs, especially for your kiddos. They make all these baby products that have PBDEs now and it’s terrible for kids. So that’s the first one.

Wendy Myers: And the car seats too. The car seats have the flame retardants. Every mattress in California has to be sprayed with flame retardants and you’re breathing that in every single night.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah, the majority of the fires. I mean I could be wrong, but I think they’re caused by cigarettes. So unless your baby is smoking or something, it shouldn’t be an issue.

So off the bat, those are the big ones from a diet and lifestyle standpoint. And the next is what you would want to do is testing to see how your detox pathways are doing. So we talked about selenium being a really good precursor for glutathione and a lot of people that have thyroid issues have low selenium. So if we take that out a couple of steps if they have low selenium, there’s a chance that a glutathione pathways could be impaired.

I like running a good organic acid test that actually looks at all these organic acids, which are like the exhaust of our metabolism. And there is a whole set of them for the detox pathways. I’ll actually read them out for you here.

So a couple of the ones that I like for detoxification are two methyl hippurate, orotate, glucarate, alpha-hydroxybutyrate, pyroglutamate and sulfate. These all correlate to the various sulfur amino acids and minerals that our body needs to run phase I and phase II detoxification.

Wendy Myers: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And so we see this low, then we can actually pump up and give additional sulfur amino acids. We can recommend diet changes. We can recommend extra minerals to actually help move these pathways faster and better and make them go more efficiently.

They’re always working. It’s just to what degree. And being in the functional medicine world, we’re trying to really focus on function and get things at their optimal level. People may not be in a pathological state, but they may just be somewhere below the average where they want to be above average and functioning.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, that’s me. And also the sulfur-containing amino acids are so important.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: NAC, methionine, taurine, glycine, glutamine, cysteine, exactly.

Wendy Myers: And these are all found in meat. So for people that are not eating meat that are vegetarian (I was vegetarian for a couple of years), their thyroid adrenals are completely tanked. They were definitely not functioning optimally prior to that experiment, but when I stopped eating meat, it destroyed my adrenal and thyroid health and I really started manifesting a lot of symptoms, which thankfully drove me to starting my website and researching health and everything. You guys have to thank me becoming vegetarian for all the information I’m putting out.

43:33 Importance of Meat and the Sulfur-Containing Amino Acids

Wendy Myers: Let’s talk a little bit about how important it is to eat the sulfur-containing amino acids in meat because there are not so many of those amino acids found in vegetables.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So in meat, you’re typically getting more methionine and more glycine. These are really big sulfur-based compounds. Also, things like bone broth, you’re getting more prolene, hydroxyprolene. These are things that really help with the gut, glycine as well.

These are really important. And we need glycine, we need cysteine, we need glutamine to make glutathione. So we need these amino acids to make our master antioxidant glutathione and a lot of the plant-based proteins.

One, you got to eat a whole bunch of carbohydrate to get a little bit of protein. So in other words, rice and beans, that’s your typical vegetarian combination to get protein, complete amino acid while you’ve got to get I think 60g to 70g of carbs for 15g of protein. Or you can just have…

Wendy Myers: That’s a lot.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s a lot of carbohydrate. I mean, I would need at least 40 per meal. I got to consume 150 carbs per meal? Forget it. I’d be like the state park marshallow man.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I mean you must be better off having four to five ounces of grass-fed meat with some kale and maybe some butter or something, you can get all these good proteins, small amount of carbs. But the carbs are nutrient-dense, right?

And then you get all these extra sulfur amino acids that you’re not going to get at high enough levels from vegetarian proteins. Not to mention, you’re just avoiding a lot of the mineral blockers or the mineral disruptors like the phytic acid and the oxalic acid and the lectins and all these strips and inhibitors that affect how we break down protein, which are all going to be our beans and all of our grains and all of our vegetarian proteins.

So we have problems with minerals. We have problems with proteins and then we can’t even break down what’s in there efficiently because of those mineral and protein disruptors.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. And then when you’re eating all those mineral and protein disruptors, you’re blocking thyroid function to a certain degree because you need the minerals in meat. A lot of people think of meat as just protein, but it has sulfur-containing amino acids and they’re mineral rich, which our thyroid and adrenals need to function. So definitely it’s a double whammy you’re getting if you are a vegetarian unfortunately.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It takes I think six pounds of chlorophyll or six pounds of grass for a grass-fed cow to accumulate into one pound of meat. So when you think of meat, think of it as a bio-accumulated super food, a super concentration of all of this plant matter into one pound. So it’s really a super food.

And then glandulars or eating the actual glandular tissue, liver, et cetera, that’s even on top of that. That’s even more concentrated. So you get the most bang for your buck really in animal proteins, animal foods.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I agree. And do you think people if they are vegetarian that they have any hopes at being able to heal their thyroid?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, off the bat, if you’re vegetarian, if you’re doing a lot of cruciferous vegetables, those are some of the best vegetables to eat, but you should at least make sure you’re cooking them to break down some of the goitrogens.

So the goitrogens are these things that block iodine. And we do need to make sure we’re having whatever iodine we’re getting in our diet to be absorbed so we can make thyroid hormones. So we don’t want to disrupt it by eating a whole bunch of raw, green vegetables like your broccoli and Brussels sprouts.

So if you’re a vegetarian off the bat and you’re really staunch and like, “I’m not going to change,” well, one, we’ve got to at least cut out the crappy vegetarian foods like the grains and all of the fake soy stuff. Get some free form amino acids onboard that are already pre-broken down and ready to go and at least be on a high quality pea protein that can stop the [inaudible 00:47:19] amino acids you need without all the lectins and all the carbohydrate along with it.

I have some patients that are vegan vegetarian. We work with them to compromise sometimes with some egg yolks. So I know it’s not necessarily vegan, but it’s more vegetarian now with some egg yolks. We’ll add in free form aminos. We’ll focus on safe starches if they can handle the carbs. We’ll focus on the right vegetables. If they’re cruciferous, we’ll steam them or sauté them. Good fats, at least coconut oil based, at least avocado based, maybe some nut based.

And I will really just cut all the crap out of the vegetarian slide and I’ll just slowly start to increase supplemental aminos and negotiate maybe adding in some plant or some animal proteins or glandulars if we can.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. That’s great. I think that you have to try to supplement the deficiencies in the vegetarian-vegan diet as much as you can. But ultimately, it’s just a band aid. I think there’s just so much we don’t know about nutrition. There are so many nutrients that we have yet to discover and whatnot. We know about 20,000 nutrients, but not all of them. And I think it’s a poor substitute best. But for some people, that’s their choice to do that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And the choice really tends to be more emotional. I just tell my vegetarian patients, “Anything you eat has to sustain life.” I think it’s a misnomer to think that your plants really aren’t that alive.

I think if you read Cleve Backster’s book, The Strange World of Plants where he hooked the electrodes up the plants and approaches them with scissors, making these scissor noise, the electrodes on the plants go crazy because the plants are sensing what’s going on. They’re about to be dinner, if you will, or lunch maybe.

So I hate the whole idea that plants aren’t sentient because we can’t see their parents, we can’t see their smiling faces and we can’t pet them like we can with animals and that they aren’t alive. I think they are, maybe not to our sensory perceptions. So anything we eat, anything that nourishes our body has to be alive in some way or the other. Just remember, it takes life to sustain life.

Wendy Myers: My uncle was a hippie and he lived in Austin, Texas. Not that you’re a hippie, but that’s where he was. He was in love with the gardening and growing vegetables. So he was trying to break the world’s record for growing the world’s tallest tomato plants. And one of the things that he did was he talked to the plants and he sang to them every day. He found the plants that he’d talk to and sing to grew much faster and the plants that he didn’t talk to and sing to didn’t grow as fast.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!

Wendy Myers: He unfortunately only made it to 18 feet. He didn’t make it to the 30 feet to break the world record. But he got close. He was being mentored by the guy that had the 30 foot world record.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s crazy.

Wendy Myers: But he couldn’t quite get there. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I looked at it as like I give thanks for whatever food I’m eating and I look at it all as the same. Thank you, bacon. Thank you, pig. Thank you, kale.

I have this state of gratitude that really helps put me in that parasympathetic state so I can digest my food better, making sure I chew my food enough and then really just remembering that all food has that some level of life in it to sustain your life. I think if vegetarians or vegans had more of that perspective, they would see that it’s all life.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. That’s a really beautiful statement. Absolutely!

50:48 Chlorine

So another thing we forgot to mention in talking about the toxic chemicals that can affect the thyroid is chlorine.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, we forgot to mention that.

Wendy Myers: We talked about the other halogens, the bromine and the fluoride. But chlorine is a huge component because if anyone goes swimming, going to a Jacuzzi, they’re showering in tap water, they’re breathing in chlorine gas – or they’re cleaning with bleach, which many people do in many work offices. I think people are being just absolutely bombarded with chlorine every single day and it’s depressing their thyroid function. That’s why we have a thyroid epidemic in a large part. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, get a good high quality water filter. Even a shower filter is essential. Shower filter is not as essential for fluoride because the molecule is much bigger. It can’t quite fit to the skin. But chlorine can be vaporized and goes through the skins.

So you definitely want a shower filter if you don’t have a whole house filter like myself. And you definitely want to make sure you have a good tap filter or a whole house as well.

51:56 The Most Pressing Health Issue in the World Today: Misinformation

Wendy Myers: What do you think is the most pressing health issue in the world today?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What is the most pressing health issue in the world today? That’s really tough.

I would say it’s a combination of you got to know where to get your information from. I think most people look to the government and look to TV to provide them what to eat. And I think a lot of the reason why we’re in the situations we’re in is because the government has made terrible recommendations via the food pyramid.

We subsidize so much junk food in our country via all the grains and the corn subsidies so junk food and all this craps are artificially cheap. I think a lot of people don’t realize how much we’ve been misled in that standpoint and we’ve been pushed in a direction where all this food that’s super cheap is super bad for us.

I think make sure you really find good sources, whether on the internet or books and stuff you read, and educate yourself because it’s going to be a bottom-up approach in how we evolve with health. It’s going not going to be a top-down. If you’re looking for Obamacare or if you’re looking for your conventional MD or for the government to give you the magic solution to be healthy, it’s just not going to happen. It’s going to be grassroots.

So tune in to people like yourself, your podcast, my podcast, good bloggers, good books. Get informed and try it. Again, you can pick it up and put it on like a new suit and see how it feels. And most people that do what we say get energy and they feel better and they reverse a lot of their health issues just naturally.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. Definitely do not get health information from CNN or major newspapers and things like that. They’re completely biased.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. I mean let’s face it. There are six major companies, six major news networks and 60% of those ads are drug-based. And there’s just no reason to put any nutritional information that could drop their sales.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, absolutely. And they’re not going to have any kind of ads or information or negative press that’s going to fly in the face or insult their main advertiser that’s giving them all the money to run their show. So you have to be very, very careful about the information you get on CNN and other major news outlets.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, major, major bias. So we just got to remember that. Today, people are going up on Twitter and Facebook and YouTube. So they’re getting a lot more exposure. And the baby boomers are stuck in whatever Fox or CNN or ABC says. It’s what’s gold. I think people are already evolving past that, which is the internet, which is so great.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

54:29 Where to Find Dr. Marchegiani

Wendy Myers: So why don’t you tell the listeners more about you and where they can find you and the services that you offer and set of programs.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great. You can find me at JustInHealth.com. It’s like my name. JustInHealth.com. Also my podcast over at BeyondWellnessRadio.com. We have full podcast transcriptions over there and we have people like yourself and other great health advocates over there providing lots of great free information.

And then I have my thyroid site, which is FixYourThyroid.com. It really focuses on getting to the root cause of thyroid issues. And I get lots of free information. Subscribe to my newsletter if you’re interested in getting more information on a patient-doctor level. Feel free and sign up with me and we can talk about getting you to the next level.

Wendy Myers: Thank you so much, Justin. Thank you so much for coming on the show. That was so informative and I know others are going to love it because I learned a little bit too, myself.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great.

Wendy Myers: Yeah because I like how detailed you were with your descriptions and everything.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Awesome.

Wendy Myers: Thank you so much for coming on the show.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thanks for having me, Wendy. I appreciate it.

Wendy Myers: So listeners, if you want to learn all about detoxification and my version of Paleo, Modern Paleo and my healing program and detox program, Mineral Power, you can go to MineralPower.com and on my website, myersdetox.com. Thank you so much for listening to the LiveTo110 Podcast.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thanks, Wendy.