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- 01:33 About Daniel Debaun
- 06:13 What is EMF
- 09:32 Effects of EMF exposure
- 24:08 Protecting ourselves from EMF exposure
- 26:04 Children and EMF
- 28:29 Defender Shield
- 42:19 Radiation Nation
- 45:23 Where to learn more about EMF protection
Wendy Myers: Hello! Thank you so much for listening to the Live to 110 Podcast. My name is Wendy Myers.
Today, we’re going to be talking about a very important subject, EMF radiation. This is a huge, huge problem in our society today. And a lot of people that are really concerned about their health don’t have it on their radar.
And so, I wanted to do the show today with Daniel Debaun. He’s the owner and CEO and founder of DefenderShield.com.
I use a number of his products. I use his headphones. I use his Defender Shield Laptop EMF Absorber underneath my computer. And he’s got a lot of other wonderful products and is a wealth of information, an expert on EMF and the health issues that EMF causes. And we’re going to provide you with a number of solutions and tips so that you can protect yourself and your family from EMF.
It’s a growing cause of cancers and leukemia and sleep issues. People don’t realize that EMF dramatically disrupt their body’s ability to sleep and regenerate. And over the long term, that causes all kinds of health issues.
So, it’s a very, very important podcast that we have today on the show.
Wendy Myers: Daniel Debaun is an internationally recognized expert in EMF radiation, EMF shielding and EMF-related health issues with special focus on the effect of exposure from mobile devices such as laptops, tablets, and cell phones. Daniel is CEO and co-founder of DefenderShield.com, an EMF shielding device company.
Daniel’s concern regarding the health impact of EMF emissions grew from over 30 years of engineering experience in the telecommunications industry where he held a variety of executive positions at SAIC, Telcordia, AT&% and Bell Labs.
He is the co-author of the book Radiation Nation: the Fallout of Modern Technology. I read it, and I highly, highly recommend it.
You can learn more about Daniel at DefenderShield.com.
Daniel, thank you so much for coming on the show.
Daniel Debaun: Thank you, Wendy. I really appreciate you inviting me.
Wendy Myers: Why don’t you tell the listeners a little bit about yourself and your background and how you came to run a company all about protecting us from EMF?
Daniel Debaun: For 30 years or so, I used to run the laboratories for the Bell System. All the advanced technology that was being introduced into the networks would go through my laboratories. So, I have a lot of background in the environment and the influence of electromagnetic radiation from electronics, lots of experience.
Well, about four or five years ago, my sons were visiting. They’re men, and they had laptops on their laps for hours. My wife says, “I want grandchildren!” She didn’t know why she said it, but I thought about it a second. I knew exactly why you should be worried about those things.
So, I said, “Well, let’s go find something that actually can protect your lap.” But I couldn’t find anything.
The products that were in the market understood a little bit of one side of the problem, but not the other side of the problem. So what I ended up doing is building my own.
I gave them to the kids. Their friends wanted some. And then, their friends wanted some.
And all of a sudden, today, we have a fairly large company. We provide shielding for electromagnetic radiation for many, many products in the marketplace. That’s how we got started.
Wendy Myers: And I wanted one too! Actually, before I even asked you to be a guest on the show, I had put it on my checklist (or finally was checking off of my checklist) “protecting myself from EMF.”
It’s something that I knew was very, very harmful. I did all these things to protect my health, yet I hadn’t really focused on that aspect of my health, which is huge, protecting myself from electromagnetic fields and radiation.
And so, one of the first things that I got, since I’m using my laptop all day long, was this Defense Shield. I put my laptop on it, and it protects me.
I was to starting to get irritation. I had my laptop on my legs, on my thighs sometimes. And it got to the point where I couldn’t stand to have the computer on my thighs. I could just feel the—
Daniel Debaun: You could feel it, right?
Wendy Myers: Yeah, it was really irritating my skin. I thought, “I’m going to get thigh cancer or something if I keep having my computer on my thighs.”
Daniel Debaun: Well, you think about with the men, it’s the sperm that you worry about. After several hours of exposure, 25% of them are immobile.
But what no one really realizes is that with females, 2% will have a tumor after extensive exposure. And some of that percent becomes cancerous.
This is serious stuff when you have these kinds of low level energy constantly emitting into very sensitive parts of the body. It’s serious stuff.
If you are a 12-year old girl, and you’re exposing your womb to the emissions, some scientists argue that a catastrophic event will occur in the future where it damages the DNA cell of the womb, and subtending generations have these DNA damaged cells that have mutated into the subsequent generations. So it can be pretty serious.
Wendy Myers: So, let’s talk about what EMF radiation is. For anyone listening that maybe isn’t totally clear on it, what is EMF and what are some of the identifiable health issues that have been linked to EMF exposure?
Daniel Debaun: Well, let’s talk about what it is. Nature doesn’t produce electromagnetic radiation, except the earth itself generates a tiny bit of emissions that are a DC extremely low frequency emissions. But it’s an emission that really, as humans, we’ve learned to live with fine.
But the emissions we’re talking about are the ones that are generated by the electronics that are around us—the wiring, the cabling, the refrigerator, the microwave oven, the cell phone. All of these things that are around us, they’re generating two different forms of emissions.
One is where as current flows in these products, they have a byproduct of emissions. And they call that extremely low frequency emissions. And then, when they want to communicate with the Wi-Fi, your cell phone wants to communicate with the tower, your tablet wants to communicate with your Wi-Fi router, they communicate within an RF signal. So, it’s manmade stuff.
And why today? Because it’s everything that’s all around us. It’s becoming more serious because, what was it, 2005, less than 50% of the population had cell phones, and nine years later, 99% of us have phones. It’s unbelievable how much it came into our lives.
You asked about impacts. Some people put their cellphone to their head. And it burns.
Some people put their hand near it, and it hurts. It stings. Some people put it on their lap, and it burns.
Well, there are all those headaches. I heard there’s a lot of symptoms related to that that you may feel, but actually, 80% of us don’t feel. Only 20% of us do. And believe it or not, of that 20%, 80% are female.
For some reason or another, women feel the emissions far more than men do. And for them, it can be very debilitating. As you know, electromagnetic hypersensitivity is fairly serious in some people’s lives.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I noticed that too. When I’m holding my cell phone, after a period of time, my hand will just start kind of aching or it just feels weird like it’s tingling or something, and I have to put the cell phone down.
I think it’s really a matter of awareness. I think people just don’t attribute their hand hurting or their thigh being irritated or their headache to EMF exposure. And that’s why you and I are trying to bring awareness to people about the very real dangers of EMF exposure.
Wendy Myers: And so, let’s talk a little bit about cancer and some of the other health issues that we’re seeing in the research more and more that can be attributed to electromagnetic fields.
Daniel Debaun: We have ADHD on the rise. We have cancers on the rise.
Here’s a rule of thumb. When you put a cell phone in your hand, you never hear about anybody dying from cancer that was produced by emissions in the hand because it’s very durable. But when you have it to your head, the frontal lobe is really, really sensitive. It’s one of the most sensitive parts of the body.
So, the closer you have these emissions to the sensitive parts of the body that is [swab] tissue, watery tissue, that’s the most dangerous.
And you really heard me talk in the past about tumors. But last year, it was very controversial. The science community, by the way, is pretty consistent now talking about the concerns of tumors emerging to cancers.
Last year, the National Toxicity Program, which is a division of the federal government, spent $25 million. They created an isolation chamber. It was an epidemiology study that was statistically significant (that is they had thousands and thousands of subjects). And they looked at those that were exposed heavily and those that were not.
And there was a clear and evident, distinct difference between the two populations. Those who are radiated had a 2% increase in frontal lobe cancers and heart cancer, believe it or not. And the other population, of course, were normal.
So, now we have a fairly significant study done by the federal government. I’m not sure they really wanted that result to come out, but that’s what came out. And that’s really just substantiating what science has known for the last 10 years about the exposures and what they can do to you.
Wendy Myers: Yes. And my uncle just died last month from a brain tumor. He worked at Texas Instruments for a number of years. He’d been battling it constantly for about 20 years. There’s a huge concern or a huge threat with EMF causing all kinds of tumors.
And I’m really concerned about the 5G cell phone network coming out right now. We’re on 4G, and 5G is coming out. It’s already been rolled out in Europe I believe. And it’s going to be much, much stronger EMF radiation exposure.
Daniel Debaun: Let me explain that to you.
The standards were developed 30 years ago for the strength of a signal. It was an analog signal, that is it’s a wave that never stopped. It’s always constant. So when it hit your body, it may have been okay (although I’d argue it’s not).
Then we went to 2G, 3G, 4G. What is that? What they’re doing is they’re digitizing the signal. They have this analog carrier, but then they’re turning the signal on and off, on and off. That’s hitting your cell on and off, on and off.
What does that mean? Well, let’s make an analogy. If you have a piece of concrete, and you take a steel bar, and you put a 10,000 pound load on it constantly, it won’t break. If you lift it up and drop it down, it breaks. Why? It’s a jack hammer.
Think of this. On/off, on/off to the cell, so there’s some argument that the damage to the cells are far more dangerous these days from these emissions because of the on/off function.
Well now, you go to 5G. It goes from roughly 2 up to 4 gigahertz up to 40 gigahertz. So the speeds are really, really fast. The energy is more compressed. And the way they send the data, of course, is by—
If you wanted to fill up your pool, you’d put one hose into the pool. If you want to do it faster, you put a second hose to the pool. So now you have two streams of data. Well, guess what? In G5, that’s what they do. They don’t have one on/off/on/off; they have two on/off/on/off’s.
That’s the difference. The energy levels are higher. And there are constant jackhammer load on the cells. Very, very dangerous.
And none of us know the long-term impact. That is clearly a problem.
Wendy Myers: I have a feeling there’s going to be a massive increase in the rates of cancer once the 5G is unveiled and has been in use for some time, which is very, very concerning, especially for those of us who are aware of EMF and attempting to protect ourselves.
You can do that really well in your home. I have a lot of different things in place. And there’ll be information in the show notes about your products and other products you can use to defend your body from EMF. There’s a lot of great products out there on the market today—but a lot of bad stuff too, a lot of garbage. That’s why I want to people like yourself to make recommendations for products that actually work.
Wendy Myers: And when you’re walking out in the world away from my home, which is a safe little cocoon, it’s a big concern because your cancer is a breakdown of cellular metabolism. And EMF is one of those toxins that breaks down cellular metabolism, your body’s ability to communicate, your body’s energetic field. It disrupts your body’s energy and information flow in the body.
Daniel Debaun: Oh, absolutely, Wendy. And in fact, EMF is a toxin. There’s just no doubt.
In fact, the cell reacts to EMF as it does to a chemical sensitivity. If you have multiple chemical sensitivity where you smell gas and you react to it—that’s about 20%, by the way, of the population—your cells are reacting exactly the same way if it’s exposed to emissions.
But what happens with EMF, particularly the stuff that’s close to you—and the reason I got so involved—when it’s really, really close, that’s when it’s most dangerous. And what it’s doing, it’s hitting the cell and it’s weakening the cell. When you weaken it, the argument is that’s electromagnetic hypersensitivity.
What does that mean? That one cell is not talking to the other cell, passing the proteins.
Your body starts breaking down. But in a latter stage, if you have a weakened membrane of the cell, calcium penetrates the cell. And that’s what causes mutation and DNA damage. So, there’s that form of problem with exposures like that.
But then the other ones we’ve heard, we’ve talked about ADHD. I get very upset about that because, in those environments where our children are, they’re being exposed to a lower energy level, but it’s constant. I call that the thousand bees in the room. One bee won’t kill you, and you’re probably fine. But when you have a thousand bees in a room, that’s a big problem.
And that’s what happened. You have all these transmitters around you, and you can’t do much about it because they’re there.
So, you’re right. You’ve got to be wary of the environment.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. And I think it’s really important for people to get an EMF detector go in their home, especially their child’s room, and see what kind of levels of EMF are being emitted by their television and your home smart meter. If you have a cell phone tower nearby, people can be really shocked.
I have a lady at my daughter’s school, her 7-year old son has leukemia. And we know that in childhood leukemia, EMF is a huge factor in the development of that.
Daniel Debaun: There’s no question about it. There’s no doubt.
In fact, in war, they use emissions like this to damage their enemy. So, who is it? A physicist for the UK. He used to develop war weapons. And he used electromagnetic radiation. He knew if he sent 30 gigahertz, that this is the effect that it will have on the body.
So, you got to be careful of exposures. And you’re right, when you’re in your house, believe it or not, there’s a lot of stuff you can do if you’re aware (as you’re pointing out, Wendy).There’s a lot of things you can do.
I talked about the most danger. The most danger is when it’s stuck in your body. What am I going to do? Don’t touch your body. Simply moving something away one foot, 80% of the danger that signal is fine; by four foot, 98%.
And so simple metrics like staying away from stuff, reducing the time you do it—like when you dry your hair with your dryer, there’s a hundred milli-Gauss coming out of that thing.
There’s a lot of emissions that are coming out. And so, you’ve got to think about, well, you’ve got to dry your hair a little bit. But don’t do it too much. So you reduce the time over that exposure.
So, there are a lot of things you can do around the house.
Wendy Myers: And the cell phone companies and manufacturers, they’re aware of the
dangers of these exposures. I think they’ve denied them for many years. But more recently, they haven’t been able to deny the science coming out and the research coming out. And it says with your phone when you get a new phone to keep it an inch away from your body. I mean, that’s pretty concerning.
Daniel Debaun: Yeah! Now they’re talking about that all of a sudden. And of course, an inch is not enough. You really do want to stay as far as you can.
Daniel Debaun: The incestuous relationship of the standard stuff to the service providers, there was a fellow who was the head of a consortium that were a group influencing federal government standards. The standard was set. And it was recently managed by the head of it who used to be a head of the wireless group for the telephone companies. And when he saw 5G, he said, “It’s fine, there’s nothing wrong with it.” So it was becoming more and more obvious the influence on the market by all these factions.
But as you pointed out, when the federal government last year proved that a transmitter for a CDMA transmitter off a cell phone can damage the frontal lobe of your brain, all of a sudden, it’s starting to shift a bit.
Wendy Myers: And EMF’s dramatically impact our ability to sleep and get restorative sleep.
Daniel Debaun: Oh, yeah. I love talking about this.
Wendy Myers: And one thing I was reading the other day is that EMF’s, they vibrate and assault your pineal gland, so that you’re not able to produce enough melatonin. And I think there’s a dramatic problem with reduction in melatonin production from EMFs and blue light. And that’s why there’s such a rush of sleep issues that people have.
I mean, the quick fix is taking some melatonin. But you need to correct your environment, the blue light and the EMF’s.
Can you talk about that a little?
Daniel Debaun: Yes. But before for I do that, I want to give you another analogy.
Your microwave generates 2.3 gigahertz signal. Your Wi-Fi is 2.4 gigahertz. When your microwave cooks a piece of meat, what it’s doing is heating up the water between the cells, the cells oscillate, and that cooks the meat.
Well, guess what? When you feel the heat to your brain or to your head, that is actually heating up your cells. And that’s the function they’re doing it with.
And I talked about the impacts to the individual cell with the weakened membrane. What you’re pointing out is whole system infrastructure can be influenced negatively.
And you’re right! It’s not the melatonin that is impacted because of sleep when the cell phone is a foot away from you. It’s the machine that creates the melatonin that’s not functioning properly. And that’s one example of processes within the body now being negatively influenced by the exposures.
So, you’re exactly right. Never put a cell phone close to you. I don’t care why you have to answer the phone. Never put it within four foot of your bed. In fact, my recommendation is always keep it in the other room. You don’t need it. After that, make sure there are no other transmitting emissions. Your laptop connected to your Wi-Fi, take all of those things out. Even an analog clock generates 10 to 15 milli-Guass. So you should move that away, look from a distance, and you’ll be better off.
And as you pointed out, you’ll sleep better.
Wendy Myers: Yes, yeah! And any one of my clients coming to me that have trouble sleeping, first thing, look at your EMF’s in your home—the wireless and the smart meter and the this and the that. It’s not enough to just turn off your wireless router because all your 30 neighbors have wireless routers.
Daniel Debaun: You bet!
Wendy Myers: There are a lot of things that you can do.
Wendy Myers: So, let’s talk about some of the things. What ways can we protect our body from EMF’s. And I know you have a lot of products to help with that.
Daniel Debaun: I actually don’t think you have to buy our products necessarily if you’re aware of what you need to be doing.
You talked about smart meters. We get asked about that all the time. And so I ask them, “Where is the meter?” If it’s right outside their bedroom on the outside wall, I say, “Move your bed!” It’s a simple thing, but you’re being constantly loaded with 1.9 gigahertz signal that’s periodical going off all night. And that may impact the way your body reacts.
So, that’s a simple thing. Move away from sources.
Reduce use of sources. I don’t use a microwave. But if you’re going to use a microwave, just stay away from them when you’re running it—at least 4 ft. away.
If you want to use a cell phone without any protection, and you use it for a couple of minutes, I wouldn’t worry about it. If you use it for three hours, you better look for some way of reducing that emission to your body.
So, simple things like, as you pointed out a minute ago, if you have a router, put a timer around the router. Turn it off at night. And you won’t even have to remember to turn it off. It’ll turn off by itself and turn it on in the morning.
You can take products. If there’s no current flow, you’re fine. And if there’s no connection with the Wi-Fi or a cell tower, you’re fine.
It’s really simply looking around your environment and finding out which you can turn off. And if you can’t turn it off, how far away can you be from it?
Wendy Myers: Yes! And so, let’s talk about why children are more susceptible to EMF radiation than adults. I think our children are dramatically being affected by the EMF’s, especially when they have lots of wireless routers in their classroom.
So many children are being put on medications because of behavioral disorders that they have as a result of EMF.
Daniel Debaun: There’s no question in my mind. When you talk about a cell phone, the federal standard is 1.6 watts/meter2. That’s the maximum amount of power it’s allowed to have.
And so, when you have children using a cell phone, what does that mean? That standard was made 35 years ago. What is the thermal impact to the body using a cell phone against your head? It was for a 6 ft. male. And all they were worried about was the thermal impact.
So, what does that mean? The standard, that 1.6 watts/meter2 says if you put it against your head, it’ll heat your head up to 2°. And that’s that’s okay. It will penetrate the head by no more than one inch.
That’s what the standard was. They never considered the biological. Only 6 ft. male.
Today, every child has a cell phone in their back pocket. And they’re using it with their head. If they’re young enough, six or seven years old, what’s going on? That signal that would enter a man’s head by one inch goes right through the head. Why? The skulls are thinner. The matter is lighter. It’s immature yet.
And so, that signal, at the earliest of ages, is going completely through their head. That is a serious concern which none of us know the impact of until 20 years, until it’s too late.
But I can tell you, the standard never considered the biological impact. Cancer, it never considered that. They were only worried about heat. And obviously, it was much more serious than that.
Wendy Myers: So, you recommend that mobile electronic devices need to be properly sheltered. So, tell us about the importance of EMF shielding and about your role in developing a state of the art EMF blocking technology that’s used in your Defender Shield product and other products that you have.
Daniel Debaun: Well, what happened is, believe it or not, some of the stuff we used—I’ve worked for Bell Labs many, many years ago. And we have to put a cable through Europe underwater. And one of the problems was emissions. It attracted fish.
So, we created a shielding material that actually shielded the jacket of the cable, so they wouldn’t be eaten.
Wendy Myers: So, fish like EMF?
Daniel Debaun: Yeah!
Wendy Myers: They’re attracted to it?
Daniel Debaun: Who knew, right? And so we use that technology (and a couple of other technologies).
What we do is very simple. We stop the signal. We take the energy, and we don’t allow it to pass through. We allow the energy to go far out, so you can still talk on your cell phone, for example. But we don’t let it pass through.
So, we use a combination of various technologies, patent-pending technologies, that eliminate the signal completely. And that’s what we—
And you really want to make sure that, if you chose to do that, picking products that removes 0 to 10 gigahertz (and pretty soon, 40 gigahertz for 5G). That’s how it works.
Wendy Myers: And so, tell us about your line of products. You have the Defender Shield Laptop Computer Protector that you put your laptop computer on top of it. Tell us about that and exactly how it protects our body.
Daniel Debaun: Well, when you have it in your lap, the most vulnerable part of your body is downward. So we protect the downward flow of the signal. And typically, the sensitive parts of the body that are in danger are at least 12 inches away. So, by putting in your lap, you’re protected.
Well, we also took that same concept, and put it for tablets. So we have a tablet line. And the same difference, it doesn’t go down. It allows you to communicate with the Wi-Fi, but it doesn’t penetrate the case itself.
And then, we have for cell phone. And I’ve got to tell you, when I was developing that product, there was a couple that had bought their 16-year old daughter a cell phone case, and she wouldn’t put it down. A year after that, she had cancer and died.
You got to know this stuff is serious when you expose your children to this.
So, I created a shielding platform which doesn’t allow the signal to go to the frontal lobe. It can’t get there. You can still talk to the tower, and you’re fine. But we have a product for that.
Wendy Myers: Just one note on that. I read that some cell phone covers, when you put some cell phone covers on, it actually can increase the Wi-Fi signal—not yours, but other products—because they’re covering up the Wi-Fi that will actually make the signal stronger. Is that true?
Daniel Debaun: Actually, the way a cell phone works, if a cell tower is really close, it’s really low power. If it’s a medium distance away, it’s medium power. And if it’s far away, it’s really a high power, 1.6 watts.
So, what we do is we just absorb the signal. We don’t interrupt the signal. So if the tower is close by, it’s not going to be increasing.
But you got to be careful. There are other products that actually increase the signal levels and brings you more danger from using it. You’re right! You’ve got to be careful about that.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. That’s why I never put a cover on my cell phone. Some the rubber silicone covers, I have read that. And I didn’t want to increase my exposure by putting that on. But I need to get one of your Defender Shield cell phone covers.
Daniel Debaun: You really do. If you’re on the phone a lot, you may not need a tablet, you may not need a Defender Pad. But if you’re on the phone, and you’re using that, you really should consider that protection because there could be a biological long term impact.
You’ve got to be careful about doing that.
So then, we also have ear buds.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I’m wearing them right now.
Daniel Debaun: Are you really? Oh, there you go! Cool!
Most of the stuff on the market was not the best of quality. So we spend a lot of time in the lab trying to come up with a high quality that people would like to use and hear high fidelity music with. We came up with the ear buds, and we eliminate all the emissions to the head. Even though it’s a low level, it’s constant. And that’s what we tried to solve, which we were able to do.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. As soon as I had some awareness around my usage of the typical iPhone ear buds that come with the iPhone that millions and millions of people are using,
I’ll go to bed kind of watching something on my computer with those in, and you fall asleep sometimes. And I didn’t realize I’m frying my brain by doing that.
And so, I bought a pair of your Defender Shield earphones. I use ear phones a lot working with clients and doing broadcasting. I just absolutely love them. And I have peace of mind that they’re not sending EMF’s directly into my brain.
Daniel Debaun: Yeah! And its duration. It’s a low level, but it’s coming out of the other kind. But if you have it there for hours at a time, that’s when it starts impacting you.
And in fact, for the 20%, we talked about that electromagnetic hypersensitive. Some of them can’t use it at all. They can feel…
So yeah, I do recommend, if you’re doing it a lot, you really should use a speaker or ear buds that can bring protection to you and safety.
Wendy Myers: Do you have any other products that you want to talk about?
Daniel Debaun: Actually, you said blue light. We actually are almost releasing those shortly. We’re trying to complete our—how do you protect the body from direct exposures. And we have that.
We have a baby blanket coming out for pregnant women. And that is like really important stuff.
So, we’re trying to now expand a bit to bring more products to the family to provide protection that they may need.
Wendy Myers: And what is the baby blanket? How does that protect the mother or the child?
Daniel Debaun: What it does is it doesn’t allow any emission to come through. We actually use a highly costly material that eliminates any exposures whatsoever. You know need to be grounded. You don’t need to be far away from it. You can have it right in front of you, and it won’t touch the baby.
Wendy Myers: So, is that to put over the belly to protect the baby?
Daniel Debaun: Yeah, you put it right over the belly for that protection. And that’s in almost final design now. So we’re trying to put that out soon.
Wendy Myers: That’s fantastic! That’s just incredible. And I actually purchased a canopy. It’s from a different company, but it’s like a mosquito net with silver and copper threads in it that I sleep in to completely protect myself and my daughter from any kind of EMF emissions that are very prevalent in Los Angeles. I live in Central Los Angeles. And it’s just like EMF Armageddon over here.
Daniel Debaun: Yeah! Well, […] you have neighbors. That’s a low level signal, but it’s always on. So when you have that, that’s an RF swing. It’s not extremely low frequency swing.
And do you ground it?
Wendy Myers: No, it’s not grounded.
Daniel Debaun: Okay. It probably can absorb it. No, it can conduct it until loses energy.
That’s how it works. So it actually does help you to reduce—actually, to eliminate—the RF that’s around you and your daughter. Those are smart.
Wendy Myers: I think it’s really important. Especially if you live in an apartment building, all of your neighbors have Wi-Fi routers. It’s not enough to just turn off your Wi-Fi router at night.
Daniel Debaun: It is terrible! You go with your meter, it’s terrible. It’s all around you. And it’s always there.
So, in those kind of situations, there’s no doubt, finding ways of managing that with the canopy, for example—that’s one example, others use grounding pads and things like that—those are good.
But here’s the point. If you’re going to use a grounding period or anything else, don’t have any cell phone close by you because a cell phone keeps transmitting if you have a ground.
You have a ground, you can actually feel the ground. There’s static electricity in the ground. And so when you ground yourself, your body normalizes. And everything balances out the way it should be. But when you have a cell phone, and it’s close to your head when you’re sleeping, and you’re grounded, you’re still going to have the problem with melatonin because it’s transmitting it to your brain.
So, you’ve got to watch the way you manage that.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I heard something that, because in the United States, we have a problem with dirty electricity, with our electrical system, and that with the grounding pad, if it’s plugged in to an electrical outlet, it’s fine in Europe, but here, there could be a problem with the dirty electricity being transmitted through the grounding pad. Is there any truth to that that you’re aware of?
Daniel Debaun: Well, dirty electricity refers to a lot of things. Most houses by federal code now have to have a six foot ground. In addition to the ground, to the network, it has to have a six foot ground in the ground.
If it’s properly grounded, most of the time, you’re sort of okay. When you have wiring running in the wall, stay away from it. Just keep a little distance, and you’re fine. It’s a low level, 3 to 5 milli-Gauss emission; being a little bit away, it drops to almost nothing, and you’re fine. It doesn’t bother you. If you turn your lights off, no current flows, and it’s even less.
So, you’re sort of okay if you’re trying to find the sources of the power being consumed.
And with dirty electricity, again, it’s managing the appliances in your space. You reduce that simply by doing it.
And if it’s not properly grounded, make sure you have your electrician properly ground you because, chances are, if it’s dirty and it’s in your space, it’s not probably ground.
Wendy Myers: Okay, yeah. I’m sure there’s plenty of homes out there that haven’t been up to code.
Daniel Debaun: Yeah! They don’t have the six foot copper pipe that’s into the ground to bring that grounding, the positive ground.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. I’ve even thought of—I haven’t done it yet, but turning off all of my electricity at night, just turning it off, the whole circuit just to completely mitigate any kind of exposure from electricity.
Daniel Debaun: Yeah, electrically sensitive people do that. And the reason why is because even really low stuff can bother them. Generally, it’s over precautionary. And the reason why is for you to get that exposure, current flowing, power is being used somewhere. Just make sure that that stuff around you is not being used, and it reduces the whole household use of power and the emissions related to it.
Wendy Myers: And I think it’s wise to point out that anyone who is chronically ill, or suffering from chronic fatigue, or they’re going from doctor after doctor, and the doctor can’t really figure out what’s wrong or have any solutions, you want to be looking at EMF sensitivity as a contributor, absolutely.
Daniel Debaun: We actually have a lot of customers that are pretty sensitive. And we talk them through. For example, when they use a laptop close to them, they always feel like a headache, their fingers hurt. And so we suggest that we take the laptop, put it a quarter and two foot away in a corner of your desk, get a portable keyboard, get a screen (an independent screen), and push it away from you, and you’ll find that just by making it Ethernet connected (not Wi-Fi connected), just by pushing it away a little bit, that makes the biggest difference for you.
Yeah, simple management of your time and space to the emissions sources really does make a big difference.
Wendy Myers: And you have a book out called Radiation Nation. Can you tell us about that?
Daniel Debaun: Yes, yes. Actually, the reason I wrote that book with my son was because there’s a lot of misinformation out there. And it’s not that complicated. We can figure out what’s influencing our lives if we know the sources, if we understand what’s going on.
I also wanted to make it pretty clear what’s our current understanding of these emissions from a scientific perspective. What I was finding is I would talk to researchers, and they didn’t know what the practitioners were doing, and the practitioners didn’t know what the researchers were doing.
I had one of the most well-known radiologist in the country say to me, “I didn’t know that non-ionized radiation can break down my cell.” He only knew ionized radiation from x-rays even though that you die when you x-ray. But he didn’t realize it’s the same stuff. It damages your cell via these emissions.
And so, I was trying to get people to understand what it was. You make a choice for how you want to deal with it.
And Radiation Nation was written because we tried to answer a lot of questions to a lot of people that we learned in the past are trying to seek out the right information and understand it.
I talk about grounding, but I also talk about what I told you before. It’s not just grounding you’ve got to be aware of. You’ve got to be aware of where your sources are as well.
Wendy Myers: Absolutely! Yeah, I have a really interesting way that I protect my body from radiation. You might have heard of this before. But this is a MiHealth device. And it works bioenergetically. It sends informational on global scalar waves. And there’s one for cell phone radiation. It would protect your cells and your body from cell phone radiation.
They have one for microwave, far infrared computer, just EMF in general.
And there’s one for air travel because when you travel on a plane, you’re exposed to a tremendous amount of radiation.
Daniel Debaun: Oh, yeah, no question.
Wendy Myers: And I set this on air travel, and it protects your body from the radiation.
Daniel Debaun: Wow! Cool!
Wendy Myers: It’s an amazing technology. It’s from a company called NES Health. And I use this every single day. It’s all so incredible. I’ll tell you more about it after we finish the podcast. But yeah, it’s one of my little secret weapons that I use for EMF.
Daniel Debaun: And that’s a solid technology. My guess is it’s a cancelling technology which is a good thing to have because our environment is getting worse, it’s not getting better. That’s why I called it Radiation Nation. All of a sudden, we’re a nation full of radiation.
Wendy Myers: Yes, yes. And it’s only going to get worse.
Daniel Debaun: Yeah, it only gets worse.
Wendy Myers: So, if you want to be healthy, you have got to have this on your radar.
Wendy Myers: So, tell the listeners where we can go for more information about protecting our families from EMF radiation.
Daniel Debaun: DefenderShield.com is a company that I started. And DefenderSheild.com is where you can find all the products we spoke about.
But in addition to that, we have learning centers, publication centers. So if you want to learn something more about the problems that we’ve been talking about today, Wendy, you can go there and you can find a lot of information. It’s up to date.
In fact, our blog, we just released an ADHD study report. We constantly try to keep up to date so everyone understands what we currently understand, the issues related to this stuff.
And if you want to learn a little bit more about Radiation Nation, you can go to Amazon. We were actually a top seller on Amazon for the longest of time. Get it in book form, or get it in electronic form. Or go to RadiationNationBook.com. We sell it on there as well.
Wendy Myers: Well, thank you so much for coming on to the podcast. I really appreciate you coming on. This is such an important topic.
Daniel Debaun: It really is.
Wendy Myers: We have to bring more awareness about it to people because more and more people are going to be getting sick and having trouble sleeping, not getting restorative sleep. And over the long term, that makes them sick with cancers and leukemia and other problems that are affecting so many families today.
Daniel Debaun: And we’re using it younger and younger too! When I grew up, there was no emissions at all in my life. When my grandchildren were growing up, their exposed their whole life, their entire life.
So, it’s getting worse for us, and you need to be aware of the potential dangers we’re in as a society.
Wendy Myers: Absolutely! Well, Daniel, thank you so much for coming on the show. Everyone, go visit DefenderShield.com and take advantage of his wonderful product line to help protect yourself from EMF.
Thank you so much for listening to the podcast!
