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  1. Li wrote the book Eat to Beat Disease to reveal the secrets inside our body, that when we eat certain foods can activate our own health defense systems.
  2. Angiogenesis is a field of medicine that studies how the body grows blood vessels, which is very important to health.
  3. Cancer, depending on new blood supply in order to grow, can hijack this process and grow blood vessels that can feed itself.
  4. Li began researching what foods we can eat to cut off blood supply to the cancer and tumors, and stop it from growing.
  5. Li’s book contains more than 200 different types of foods that can support the body’s defenses.
  6. Studies have found that green tea is great at cutting off blood supply to cancer, with its antioxidants, anti-inflammatory, and lipid lowering properties.
  7. Green tea has been found to help cut off blood supply for cancers like colon cancer, lung cancer, kidney cancer, liver cancer, and breast cancer.
  8. Contrary to the concern that soy can increase estrogen in the body and can spark breast cancer, plant estrogen is very different than human estrogen, and can even counter the affects of human estrogen, and cut out blood supply to cancer
  9. 10 grams of soy protein a day has been found to help woman live longer.
  10. There are five defense systems in our body, the first being angiogenesis blood vessels, which is the 60,000 miles of blood vessels that brings oxygen and nutrients to every single cell in our body.
  11. Because anything we eat or breath is carried though these blood vessels it is crucial to eat proper foods to support this system.
  12. The second health defense system is our regeneration or stem cell system, which regenerates cells in our body from the inside out.
  13. There are certain foods that can activate our stem cells and rev up cell regeneration.
  14. The third health defense system is the microbiome, with 39 trillion bacteria, which control our immune system, and many other systems in our body.
  15. Eating the right foods will allow the proper bacteria to live in the gut and efficiently support this defense system.
  16. The fourth defense system is our DNA, which can fix itself when it becomes damaged from things like the sun, and toxins in our environment.
  17. The fifth defense system is our immune system, which is greatly affected by the foods we eat.
  18. Li lists 200 foods that are good for you. He suggests finding the foods that you love on that list and leaning into your diet.
  19. He warns that overeating can overwhelm the immune system, overload gut, and can prevent blood vessels from staying clean and healthy
  20. In Eat to Beat Disease Li provides a five by five by five plan that is an easy way to help you find the foods you like that support our defense systems, and stay on track with eating them.
  21. You can learn more about Dr. Li, find his book Eat to Beat Disease, and sign up to receive a free shopping list of all the best foods to promote our body’s defense systems at drwilliamli.com
  22. Make sure to follow him on social @drwilliamli where he posts great recipes!

 

Wendy Myers: Hello, everyone. My name is Wendy Myers. Welcome to the Myers Detox Podcast, and you can go to my website, myersdetox.com and see hundreds of podcasts and hundreds of free articles on how to detox heavy metals and chemicals. That’s what this show is about where we talk about every aspect of detoxification including supplements, detox protocols, and today, we talk about diet. Today’s podcast with Dr. William Li will focus on eating to beat disease. He wrote a fantastic book called eat to beat disease where we talk about all kinds of different things like which foods starve cancer, top food myths that people may not be aware of, the body’s top five defense systems and how to eat to support them, and some of the latest research on food science.

Wendy Myers: I know so many of you guys listening to the show are concerned about detoxing heavy metals, how to do it right, where to get started, do’s and don’ts. So, I created a quiz that you can take at heavymetalsquiz.com, takes two seconds, and after that quiz, you get the results, what your relative levels of heavy metals are in your body based on your lifestyle and diet choices, and then you get a free video series on how to get started, what are the next steps to detoxing your body burden of heavy metals and chemicals. So, take the quiz at heavymetalsquiz.com.

Wendy Myers: Our guest today, Dr. William Li, is a world-renowned physician, scientist, speaker and author of Eat to Beat Disease: The New Science of How Your Body Can Heal Itself. He’s best known for leading The Angiogenesis Foundation, and he has groundbreaking work, which has impacted more than 70 diseases, including cancer, diabetes, blindness, heart disease and obesity. His TED Talk, Can We Eat to Starve Cancer, has garnered more than 11 million views, and he’s also appeared on The Dr. Oz Show, Martha Stewart Live, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, Voice of America, and has presented at the Vatican’s Unite to Cure Conference, and author of over 100 scientific publications in leading journals such as Science, The New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet and more. Dr. Li has served on the faculties of Harvard, Tufts, and Dartmouth Medical School. You can learn more about Dr. Li and his work at drwilliamli.com. So, Dr. Li, thank you so much for coming on the show.

Dr. William Li: It’s a pleasure, Wendy. Love to talk to you about things that we’re both passionate about, which is how we can eat to improve our health.

Wendy Myers: Yes. So, you wrote a book called Eat to Beat Disease. How did you get interested in the concept of food as medicine and eating to beat disease?

Dr. William Li: Well, I’m a medical doctor. I’m trained as an MD, and I practice internal medicine, and I’m also a research scientist, so I’m what you call a vascular biologist. So, I study blood vessels, been doing this for about 25 years. One of the things that I noticed is that even though there were amazing medicines that have been developed, and I’ve actually been involved myself in helping to help establish about 32 FDA approved treatments, I always recognize it when my patients actually were walking out of my clinic. They always have a question, and they would kind of like get dressed and leave the office. They’d pop back in and say, “Hey, Doc. What can I do for myself? What should I be eating?” This is about 10 years ago, and I realized that, you know what, I was never taught that in medical school or in any of my clinical training. I felt that was wrong that I didn’t have the tools to answer that question.

Dr. William Li: So, that sent me on this journey to really use my background as a research scientist, but also as sort of a hardcore trained medical doctor to figure out what the answer is. That answer is that when it comes to food and health, it’s not just about the food. It’s really also about how our body responds to what we put inside it. That actually led me to write this book, which is to really reveal what are the secrets inside our body that, when we eat certain foods, can activate our own health defense systems.

Wendy Myers: Yes. Yeah. How has the science evolved to support this? How has the science evolved to help us understand how to eat to beat disease?

Dr. William Li: Right. Well, so I’ll tell you the most important thing for your listeners to know is that how fast the science is actually developing, like if you wanted to take a look at if nutrition was moving along at 40 miles an hour over the last decade, I can tell you within the last two years, it’s zooming up to like supersonic speeds. We are now learning more about how our body responds to different foods and what’s inside the food and how it impacts our gut bacteria faster than actually we can process it.

Dr. William Li: This research that I’ve been involved with started really about 40 years ago, picking up and really starting, first, to help us understand how to develop medicines. So, we know, for example, that cancers depend upon a new blood supply in order to grow, and this is a field called angiogenesis, how the body grows blood vessels. Very important for health, but tumors can hijack this process and grow blood vessels to feed themselves. What was discovered is that if you cut off the blood supply to cancers, you can actually stop their growth, and you can stop their ability to spread. That led to the development of FDA approved treatments and entirely new ways to treat cancer that’s not chemotherapy, and I’ve been involved with that, but the interesting thing is that the science doesn’t teach us about medicines. The science actually teaches us about the body. I started to work, really about 10 years ago, on looking at how the foods we eat can help us cut off the blood supply to tumors as well, and sometimes, better than medicines.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. Well, tell us what some of those are. I’m sure so many people are dealing with cancer or have a loved one with cancer and need to know how to eat to beat disease, including my brother. His wife has a lung cancer diagnosis, and I’ve been coaching her on how to eat. Tell the listeners what are your thoughts on eating to beat disease and cancer specifically.

Dr. William Li: Well, so there’s no one magic food and there’s no magic bullet to this, and the research is actually showing there’s a whole series of foods that I write about in my book, Eat to Beat Disease. Actually, my whole book contains more than 200 different types of foods that … these defenses. Let’s talk about cancer for a minute. Some of the most convincing evidence that we can actually cut off the blood supply to cancer is actually coming out of studies with green tea. It turns out that in addition to the antioxidant and anti-inflammatory and lipid-lowering properties of green tea, one of the most potent and powerful benefits it can have is that green tea can cut off the blood supply feeding cancers, so that’s been beneficial for colon cancer, lung cancer, kidney cancer, liver cancer, and breast cancer. So, drinking a few cups of green tea a day actually is one way to actually help body’s ability to prevent blood vessels from feeding cancer cells.

Dr. William Li: Another one actually is, that may surprise some people, is in fact, soy. Now, soy actually has become controversial and got bad reputation because some people think that the plant estrogen found in soy can fuel human breast cancers because we know that some breast cancers actually can be sparked by human estrogen, but again, this is where I come in as a research scientist because I don’t really have any preconceived notions. What I’m interested in is, what does the science teach us? When you look at the molecular structure, you look at the chemical structure, right, of soy estrogen, plant estrogens and compare it to human estrogens, they don’t look anything alike. In fact, they’re just about as different as they can be. In fact, it’s been found through research that plant estrogens can counter the effect of human estrogens. They block them. It’s kind of like a human tamoxifen. I mean like a plant tamoxifen.

Dr. William Li: So, then, you take a look at a research that I and other people have done to show that soy can definitely cut off the blood supply to cancers. Then, a big study that I talk about in my book of 5,000 women who already have breast cancer, so, these are the most vulnerable people, actually was shown and published in the Journal of American Medical Association. That’s the big journal for the AMA, that those women who ate more soy actually live longer, and they had better survival. How much soy did you have to eat? About the amount that was necessary was about 10 grams of soy protein a day. That’s just the amount that you have in about a cup of soy milk.

Dr. William Li: So, again, the research is really punching through urban legends and common beliefs and just really saying, how can we just objectively look at what do foods do in our body and how do we respond? So, it’s a combination of laboratory research, epidemiological research, public health research, and putting this picture together, is what I wrote about in my book.

Wendy Myers: So, you mentioned angiogenesis. What are some of the body’s other key defense systems, and how can foods activate them?

Dr. William Li: Right. So, I liken the body to be like a medieval fortress, right? So, if you’ve ever been to Disneyland and looked at the Disney castle, that castle was modeled after real castles in Europe. Everybody knows like the kinds of defenses that castles have, right? So, they’ve got a moat, and they’ve got a drawbridge to prevent people from invading. They got little slits in the windows so people can shoot arrows out and block the invaders, but there are all these other defenses that most people don’t know about that have been hardwired into the castle.

Dr. William Li: For example, did you know that the spiral staircase of castles always wind up, they wind upwards in clockwise fashion? The reason is because that design allows the defenders who are on the top of the stairs, and most of them are right-handed, to be able to swing downwards to hit the people coming up the stairs, whereas it’s a disadvantage for people who are right-handed. Coming up the stairs is hard, and so it’s easier to beat the enemy, so to speak. There’s also like a hole above the foyer in a castle where people could drop rocks on the heads of invaders or pour oil on them.

Dr. William Li: So, I use that analogy to say the human body is exactly the same way. We are designed to be born with health defenses that are firing on all cylinders from the time we’re born into our very last breath. That’s why we tend to be mostly healthy throughout our lives. So, what are these health defenses? What is science teaching us about the health defenses? Well, there’s five of them.

Dr. William Li: Number one, angiogenesis, blood vessels, which I just talked about a little bit ago. 60,000 miles worth of blood vessels that grow, that’s called angiogenesis. These blood vessels bring oxygen and nutrients to every single cell in our body. So, whatever we eat, whatever we breathe, winds up being carried by 60,000 miles worth of blood vessels to feed every cell. We need to have just a right number of blood vessels for circulation, not too many, not too few. So, think about Goldilocks, not too hot, not too cold. For blood vessels, it’s not too many, not too few. Then, that’s one of our health defense systems that can help protect us against cancer, heart disease, obesity, and even Alzheimer’s.

Dr. William Li: A second health defense system is our regeneration or stem cell system. Now, most of your listeners probably were told, like me and my guess is you, like when did our kindergarten teachers tell us about regeneration and starfish, right? They told us that starfish regenerate and salamanders regenerate. It turns out, people also regenerate. What we now know, like that old textbook is being thrown out, what we now know is that our bodies do regenerate all the time. Our hair regenerates. The lining of our mouth regenerates. You ever bite something sharp and scrape your cheek from the inside? Man, it’s painful, but really within a day, it regenerates. Our gut regenerates. Lung regenerates. Liver regenerates. So, our stem cells help us heal from the inside out, and there are foods that can actually activate our stem cells and push our healing to regenerate from the inside out.

Dr. William Li: Our microbiome, our gut bacteria, 39 trillion bacteria in our bodies, mostly in our gut that when we eat foods, it feeds that bacteria. Those bacteria control our immune system. The gut talks to our brain. The gut actually helps us figure out how to heal more effectively. We’re just scraping the tip of the iceberg, but if we don’t have good healthy bacteria protecting us, our health is in danger, so a good healthy gut bacteria, our microbiome is another defense system.

Dr. William Li: DNA, not more than the genetic code, protects us against the environment. I always tell people, well, if you go into the sunshine, you go to the beach. We know that ultraviolet light damages our DNA, but how come we don’t get skin cancer the day after we go to the beach? It’s because the DNA fixes itself. It can protect us against the sun, or if you are driving a car and filling up your tank with gas at the filling station, I always say, “Do you stand upstream or downstream?” Most people say, “Well, I never even thought about it,” but if you smell that fume, those fumes, you are inhaling toxins that damage your DNA. So, how come you don’t have lung cancer every day, the next day? It’s because your DNA is fixing itself against that damage.

Dr. William Li: Then, finally, our immune system is another defense system. Again, what we eat can powerfully take down or build up and support or boost our health defense systems. That’s what I write about in Eat to Beat Disease.

Wendy Myers: Yes. Yeah, because I know when you eat sugar, it lowers your immunity for six hours afterwards or something to that nature. It’s amazing how the foods you eat negatively impact or positively impact your body’s ability to protect itself.

Dr. William Li: Right. Well, listen. I mean, there’s a lot of attention being paid on the negative sides, right? So, we know that eating a lot of red meat or processed meat or ultra-processed foods or sugar-sweetened beverages, I mean, it’s very clear from all the research in public health and otherwise that those things actually weaken our body’s defenses like almost across the board. All those five defense systems, they get taken down a couple of notches when we’re really pounding that stuff into our bodies.

Dr. William Li: One of the things that I really want to do though is emphasize the things, the good things we should add to our diet because frankly, if we spent most of our time focusing on what’s the good to add, honestly, you can probably cheat every now and then. You’ll be just fine.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. Yeah. So, how can people take action now? So, you have your book Eat to Beat Disease. What are some of the top tips in there so that people can take action on the advice you’re giving us?

Dr. William Li: Right. Well, the first thing that I want people to do is to not be afraid of their food. I think that with all the discussion going on now about food and health, people have become wary about what they eat, right? So, is what I’m eating bad for me? So, think about the news, right? Everybody’s confused, and then they’re cautious, and they’re starting to be paranoid over what they eat. Is there gluten in it? Is there enough antioxidants in it?

Dr. William Li: Here’s what I said. I read about more than 200 foods that are good for you. I would say, take a look at that list, and first, identify the foods that you already love. Everybody likes something, right? Our body craves the things that tends to know exactly what it needs. So, I say, lean into your diet, identify the foods that are actually good for you, and circle them, okay? Make a list of them because those foods that are good for you on my list of more than 200 foods are a great way to start with your foot forward, and you can actually embrace your diet. Don’t fear your diet. Lean into it, and embrace it. Love your food is loving your health, number one.

Dr. William Li: Number two, don’t eat too much because one of the things that has happened after World War II, in addition to all the chemical stuff and the industrialized processed foods, the TV dinners and all the stuff that came out, a prosperous nation, which is what they always talk about in the news, means that we’ve got the resources to eat up a ton of food, right? So, one of the things that I think I really want to emphasize to your listeners is don’t eat too much. Over consuming is one of the most dangerous things you can do. You overload your immune system. You overload your gut, and start hurting your gut bacteria. You overwhelm your body’s ability to keep your blood vessels clean and healthy and feeding the tissues that you need to have.

Dr. William Li: So, in addition to gaining weight, which is kind of a vanity thing, I mean it’s unhealthy for you but we tend to notice our weight when we feel or other people tell us we don’t look so good, the reality is that if you eat less than in general people is whatever you want to put on a plate, start by taking a third of it, okay? You can always go back for more, and then take that third and eat it slowly because it allows your brain to not … Not only can you savor the food, but then, your brain starts to process and tell your body that you’re actually full, and that’s about enough. That’s one good way to actually lower the amount we eat at a sitting, but you know what, if you occasionally skip a breakfast or lunch, don’t sweat it. That old saying that moms have like, “Got to eat your breakfast. Don’t skip your breakfast,” you know what? Actually, what the research shows, if you skip a couple of meals a day, it’s probably good for your health. So, I would say this second thing is … too much.

Dr. William Li: The third thing is some of the obvious things. Cut down or cut out red meat, okay? Don’t drink sugar-sweetened beverages. It’s unnecessary to actually have those harmful things introduced into your body, and sort of avoid ultra-processed. Most of the foods that we have have some amount of processing. Ultra-processing, here’s my cheat sheet to people, look at the ingredients, and you can’t pronounce them. It’s probably ultra-processed.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. It’s interesting that so many people don’t read labels. They’ll just see, maybe there’s organic in the label, or it’s gluten free, or they take all these other things they think are marketing terms and don’t actually read the ingredients. You have to be a food detective because it’s not always healthy just because it looks healthy on the label. So, what are some food myths? You talked about soy. Are there any other ones that you want to tell the listeners?

Dr. William Li: Yeah. Well, so I’ll give you a couple of interesting ones. Well, first of all, so let’s just restate what I said earlier. Soy has a bad reputation because some women are afraid, and even doctors emphasize that it might be dangerous for women with breast cancer. The scientific truth is just the opposite. Women who eat more soy have lower risk of breast cancer, and if they already have breast cancer, those who eat more soy actually are starving their cancer and living longer, so, just the opposite. That’s what the science tells us.

Dr. William Li: Another mythology that’s out there is really about tomatoes. People are saying that tomatoes are related to nightshade and are toxic and not good for you. Well, I can tell you that tomatoes actually have a natural chemical, a protective … It’s a protective food that just got a natural chemical. It’s called lycopene. Lycopene is found all throughout the flesh of the tomato and actually cuts off the blood supply feeding cancer cells.

Dr. William Li: How do we know that, that actually works? Well, in real human studies, it was a study of more than 36,000 men studied over 20 years, found that those men who ate two to three servings, half-cup serving, so not very much, of cooked tomatoes, tomato sauce a week had up to a 30% reduction in their risk of prostate cancer by cutting off the blood supply. That means that some men did develop prostate cancer, and so they studied those men too, and they did biopsies, biopsies of the prostate, and then they looked into the microscope, and they found that in those men who did develop prostate cancer, those men who ate more tomato sauce actually had less aggressive and less vascularized, fewer blood vessels in their cancer, so they couldn’t be quite as aggressive.

Dr. William Li: I’ll give you kind of an interesting twist on a theme, not so much a myth, but a sort of news that your podcast listeners can use. We know broccoli is good for you, right? That’s an old saying, and we know that it’s dark, leafy green, cruciferous. It’s got slightly bitter taste, and those are natural chemicals that are good for you. The chemicals are actually, by the way, called isothiocyanates. The name doesn’t matter whether you can pronounce it or not, but it’s good for you. It actually boosts your health defense systems, all five of them, but we’ve always been taught to eat the tops, the tree tops of the broccoli, right?

Dr. William Li: Oftentimes, if you go to a farmer’s market, you realize that a broccoli is not just a tree top. There’s a gigantic stem that is part of that broccoli. It turns out, and we’ve done this when I’m doing research, if you look at the good stuff in the broccoli florets, the tree tops, they are there. The stem has twice as much good stuff. The natural chemicals that can activate your defense are twice as abundant in the stems. Don’t throw that away. Cook it. Chop it up. Look online for a recipe of broccoli stems. Many, many cultures actually cook with the stems because they somehow intuitively knew over thousands of years that the stems are actually not only tasty, but they’re actually good for you.

Dr. William Li: Same thing as mushrooms. You buy white button mushrooms. You bring them home. What do you do? You cut off the stems. You chop the mushroom caps, right? What do you do with the stems? A lot of times, the stems get thrown away. So, there is a natural healthy chemical that boosts your immune system and feeds your healthy gut bacteria called beta-glucan. It turns out that you’ve got beta-glucan in the mushroom cap. You’ve got two to three times more in the stem itself. So, eat your mushroom stems as well. This is what research is doing. It’s cutting across. It’s cutting through all these myths … and just telling us information that we can actually use at home when we’re actually making decisions about what to eat and how to cook it.

Wendy Myers: So, in your book, you have lots more myths that you’re dispelling in the book, and you also have a five, five, five plan. Can you explain what that is?

Dr. William Li: Yeah. Well, so when I wrote my book, Eat to Beat Disease, one of the things that I committed to was I didn’t want to write a guidebook. It wasn’t interesting for me to try to create a one size fits all, do this, don’t do that because I think that’s one of the things that is so difficult about healthy eating, is that there’s so many diets out there. Everybody tries one or the other, but they tend to be very, very hard to stick to. What I believe is that healthy eating really comes from the decisions that we make. What you want to eat is really up to you, and it should be up to you. You just need to be informed about it.

Dr. William Li: So, I included 200 foods and explained how they are helpful to you, so, it’s abundant. I put more foods out there that you can find, than you can actually find in the fresh aisles of the grocery store, plenty to choose from. I also, by the way, went on … I did my research by traveling not only to the typical grocery store and many different types of grocery stores and not just the fancy ones, not just the Whole Foods. I also went to farmer’s markets, and I also went abroad to do my research. I studied what happens in little villages in Italy and in France, and also, what kind of stuff do you find? That’s what I put in my book.

Dr. William Li: The five by five by five plan is really sort of a super easy way to think about healthy eating. Well, I tell people, look at all the foods in there. Circle the ones that you like, and then just keep in mind, we tend to eat food, we intend to encounter foods about five times a day. Breakfast, lunch, dinner, and usually, a couple of snacks, right? About five times. Guess what, we’ve got five health defense systems. Angiogenesis, stem cells, microbiome, DNA, and our immune system.

Dr. William Li: So, if you can just eat those that you circled, that you already love and eat them, you’ve activated all five health defense systems, and just do it. We’ve got five opportunities a day to do it. You can do it all in one sitting. We can spread them out over five, but at least, five by five by five is sort of an easy thing and mnemonic to actually remember, and when I go to the grocery store or when I sit down at a restaurant at a menu, I’m looking for those foods that I recognize from my book and just pick them, the ones that I love or feel like eating that I know are going to be good for me.

Wendy Myers: Okay, fantastic. So, where can people learn more about your book and learn more about your work?

Dr. William Li: So, I welcome people to sort of join me in my initiative to really have the world be healthier, to eat to beat disease by coming to my website. That’s www.dr, D-R, williamli, L-I.com, drwilliamli.com. D-R and L-I is the last name, or you can follow me on social, and it’s @dr, D-R, williamli. By the way, one of the things that I think, both on social, on my website, I put up all kinds of information. This news, as I told you, is coming out at supersonic speed, so, every week, I mean there is so much new information that tells us something good that we can do. So, I try not to confuse. I have a vendetta against confusion. So, for me, it’s about clearing up the confusion and putting stuff on the table that, for people to understand so they can make better decisions.

Dr. William Li: One of the things that I really wanted to make easy to do is read my book, of course, but if you really wanted to just get a shopping list, I created a free shopping list. I took all the foods in my book, and I arranged them in the order that you might encounter them when you walk into a grocery store with your cart. You can just download that for free because I think everybody should just be able to use this kind of information and learn how to make it second nature, make it super easy for you to think about. So, just come to my website. Sign up, and download a free shopping list. That’s a really great start for things. Then, on my social, I’m always updating recipes and new food facts and fun news you can use.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. Well, fantastic. Well, thank you so much, Dr. Li, for imparting your wisdom and your years of research and clinical studies as well that you’ve been reading. What’s on the horizon for you? What’s kind of your next project, the next thing that you’re doing?

Dr. William Li: Well, one of the things that I’m really excited about doing is actually taking a look at another big opportunity to eat well or eat poorly, and that’s holidays. I mean, think about it. We all celebrate holidays no matter where we live in the country or where we live in the world. No matter what we do for a living, there’s always some way that we celebrate. Most people think about holidays as a time to gorge and eat stuff that’s not that good for you, and then, you got to pay the penance afterwards.

Dr. William Li: So, a big project I’ve got next is really to really try to organize holidays that everybody celebrates according to foods that people love and that are actually good for you, and then stick them up there, so people can actually download lists of the healthy foods to have during holidays, and then to create the recipes for them as well.

Wendy Myers: Okay, fantastic. Yeah, I know when I go on vacation, I tend to take a vacation from healthy eating also. So, I’m guilty of that as well.

Dr. William Li: My point, Wendy, is that you never need to go on vacation because if you … It’s only that you think that you need to avoid foods that you like. What I’m telling you is, and your readers and what I wrote about in my book is that if you kind of get up to speed on what we’re knowing about healthy foods, the list is a lot bigger than you think. If you can find stuff that you really love already on there, then go for it. Go out there. Go on vacation. Don’t go on a vacation, like lean into your diet, and just love your food in order to love your health. That’s kind of my mantra.

Wendy Myers: Yes. I know a lot of people have this I can’t have mindset, and you have to kind of turn that around like, oh, I can’t have gluten, I can’t have dairy, I can’t have this, or whatever the can’t is and not think in that way that you can’t have … There’s so much food you can have. So, it’s such a better mindset for you to enjoy your food without feeling deprived.

Dr. William Li: Yeah. If the food you enjoy is the food that is protective of your health, protective foods for your health can be the same foods that you really enjoy, then it’s a win-win. You get to enjoy your life, and who doesn’t want that?

Wendy Myers: Oh, absolutely. Well, Dr. Li, thanks so much for coming on the show, and again, why don’t you tell the listeners where they can find you?

Dr. William Li: So, come to my website at www.dr, D-R, williamli, L-I.com, or follow me on social @drwilliamli, D-R, williamli, L-I. Also, get my book, and share my book. I think one of the things that I’ve been hearing about is people are buying my book, and you can get it wherever books are sold, Eat to Beat Disease: The New Science of How Your Body Can Heal Itself, and what I’m hearing is that people are actually getting the book and giving them as gifts to people because everybody knows somebody in their family or somebody in their friend network that could be doing better or who would be interested in this kind of a thing. That really makes me happy because the whole purpose that I wrote this book is to really have an impact around the world.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I love it. I love the title also because I think that really hits home. I think there’s so many people out there that have a diagnosis, or they have cancer or diabetes or heart disease or what have you, or they have a family member, a loved one that’s dealing with this, and they’re just not getting answers from their physician on how to eat well, how to have healthy lifestyles that can positively impact their diagnosis. They’re just getting medication. They’re just getting medications and maybe medical treatments for their disease, but people have to attack their disease from the root, which is mostly, for most diseases today, chronic illnesses are diet and lifestyle that are the main contributors.

Dr. William Li: Absolutely. Even if you’re not interested in research and all that information, the fact of the matter is that healthcare doesn’t only happen in a doctor’s office or in a hospital. Healthcare actually is what we do for ourselves between doctor’s office visits at home, at the kitchen and wherever we make a decision to eat. So, it’s the easiest way to actually stay healthy and also, I think, to enjoy your life.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, absolutely. Well, Dr. Li, thanks so much for coming on the show, and everyone, thanks so much for tuning in this week to the Myers Detox Podcast where we discuss everything related to heavy metal detoxification, and diet is for sure a very, very important part of that. So, thanks for tuning in. I will talk to you guys next week.