Detox Scars, Surgeries, and Dental Work With Mud Packing and Castor Oil
with Julie EHealth
Dr. Wendy Myers
Welcome to the Myers Detox Podcast. I’m Dr. Wendy Myers, and on this show, we talk about everything related to heavy metal and chemical detoxification and the health issues caused by toxins. We also talk about bioenergetics, anti-aging, and advanced topics in health. Today, our guest is Julie E Health. She’s gonna be talking about how scars cause many health issues and how to address them with mud packing therapy, castor oil cupping, and other things we’ll talk about on the show. We also delve into tattoos and how tattoos cause scarring, as well as root canals. It is a really interesting show today.
We’re gonna be talking about how scars can disrupt the energy flow in the body through the meridians, leading to various health issues. We’ll talk about how mud packing therapy is an effective treatment for scars and detoxification. It pulls out a lot of toxins that are being harbored in scars. We’ll also talk about other treatments like castor oil and how to use it, light therapy and lasers, and cupping to address scars. We’ll also talk about how scars include visible scars on the skin, internal injuries, surgeries, piercings, tattoos, and dental work like root canals.
We’ll talk about how scars can disrupt the energy flow in your fascia, which is the connective tissue around all your muscles, skin, and things like that. It can lead to toxin accumulation and blocked organ function in the scarred area, which really has a big effect. We’ll talk about how mud packing can be used to pull toxins out of those scarred body parts, including inside the mouth for root canals and the genital area. It’s really interesting. We’ll also talk about how Julie has a mud packing course as well. She teaches others how to do mud packing and all the many benefits that we’ll discuss today on the show.
Our guest, Julie E Health, is a registered dietitian and a functional medicine expert. She’s a master of QRA, holds a master’s degree in public health, and has a passion for helping people improve their health through simple solutions and her infinite tool chest of remedies. For over three decades, Julie has been helping people find the root of their health ailments and treating them naturally. She’s also reversed her telomeres in cellular health to that of a 12-year-old. Her international practice includes parents, kids, pets, celebrities, and athletes. You can learn more about her work and take her mud packing course at julieehealth.com. Julie, thanks so much for coming on the show.
Julie E
Thanks so much for having me, Wendy
Dr. Wendy Myers
Why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself and your background?
Julie E
In high school, my older friends were exercising, and I started catching rides to the gym with them. As soon as I got a car, I started working at a gym. I taught fitness classes, and all the elderly people were like, Oh, you’re so lucky you’re starting young. To me, it was just fun. And then in college, somehow, I ended up deciding to go to school to study nutrition. So, I went to the number two school of public health and I got a combined degree in public health and my master’s in nutrition became a registered dietitian. I learned that potato chips and French fries count as a vegetable.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Don’t you just love the eighties, the nineties? I had the same thing, eating my French fries as vegetables.
Julie E
As it turns out, while I was studying nutrition was actually the heaviest I’ve ever been in my life, other than when I was pregnant. Then I moved to New York City, and I was still working in fitness and nutrition at Chelsea Piers and started my own little business on the side of nutrition consulting. One thing led to another because I was so interested in learning about vitamins. They told us in school you didn’t need any. I didn’t believe that. I ended up at an Institute for Functional Medicine conference with Jeffrey Bland, and I was like, finally someone who’s talking my language. 22 years of that led me down numerous other paths with QRA and functional medicine, and now I do a combination of everything.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Okay, great. I wanted to have you come on to talk about scars because I think people don’t realize how scars can negatively impact your health. A lot of people have plastic surgery scars. They’ve got scars from injuries and various things. I wanted to talk about that and how scars can expand with age and cause various issues. First, why don’t we start with defining what scars actually are?
Julie E
A scar is really any cut on the body. Usually, you see them. Sometimes, you don’t see them. Some people get trauma to the head. You can’t see a visible scar, but that also counts. So, it’s injuries and traumas. Scars are how I look at it. I’m going to add on that. In that category, we also look at piercings, tattoos, dental infections, and dental health as well. So, if there’s a root canal or if there was an implant, these are all potentially traumatic to the body, and everywhere on the body, there should be energy. We are energy beings. When there’s a scar, it’s like sometimes there’s a little detour of energy, and over time, the body does this detour for a while, and where the scar is, your body’s like that’s a perfect place for a garbage can. So, all your toxins end up stored in that area.
The truth is that not every scar becomes problematic in someone’s life, but we go through and assess all your scars and traumas over the course of your lifetime, and that is the roadmap to health. I know you didn’t ask me that part yet.
Dr. Wendy Myers
In studying bioenergetics, I was really shocked to learn that when you have a scar, your body communicates energetically on the meridians and through the fascia, that layer underneath our skin. This is a communication highway where the body is sending important messages. When you have a scar in someplace, it either doesn’t make it or it gets scrambled, or you have a breakdown in physical function where that scar is, or the organ near the scar. That’s a big problem. I think it’s important for people to think of scars in this way. It’s not just some benign, annoying-looking thing on your skin or inside you from the surgery. It can cause problems. I wanted to bring some awareness about scars and how to deal with them by having you come on the show.
When we were talking earlier, you were talking about how scars are the cause of all of our health ailments. Can you expand on that a little bit?
Julie E
You mentioned meridian. In the East, they talk about the shockers and meridians, the energy channels and the qi of the kidneys, and the flow around your body. Here we talk just about the blood and the arteries, veins, and capillaries. But when you look at the body really from both systems, energy should always be flowing. I guess the best example I give to people is when they get a dent in a can of tuna, and they’re like, I dunno if I should eat this. What happened to the tuna? And they throw it out. Think about all the dents that happen in this body over the course of a lifetime. If you get hit by a baseball in your arm when you’re 10 because you weren’t looking or however it happens, first of all, it’s traumatic. The scare of it hitting you stresses out the adrenals
You have an adrenal problem at the same time that you have a physical problem. Your body creates extra stress from that. You don’t know exactly what’s going on, but where that ball hit, if that’s on the heart meridian, now you know, they may not see any blood and if it was your head, they may take you for a CT scan and they might not see any blood from that. But there is now a dent in that meridian. If we’re talking about arm and there is a heart meridian right here. Let’s say now your heart is working at 99% efficiently, starting at age 10, and then you have a breakup when you’re 18 or 23. They say it takes 20 years to take down a meridian or an organ from the meridian.
So, by the time people are 30 or 40, medical and society call it aging, but I’m calling it you now have blockages in a meridian, more than one usually that have started to take down an organ or gland. That’s when you start to see symptoms. It’s really a long-term problem. And after my 39 years in this health industry, what I have learned in so many different areas, I have simplified it to three simple steps to health. I’ll just explain this because it will make a little more sense about the scars. The first step is you have to have a biofield. When you have a biofield, healing is limitless and that relates to minerals, electrolytes, and energy in your body. The second step is to make sure all your detox organs are working correctly.
I call that your assembly line because if one guy is backed up, it backs up the whole system. So, if you don’t poop on a regular basis, it can back all the way up and you can have liver symptoms. The problem may or may not be your liver, but if you have dents in your liver meridian or in your large intestine meridian, the problems grow exponentially. Once you have your detox organs working optimally, what we’re really looking at for health is all of your scars, traumas, dental work, root canals, tattoos, and piercing over the course of your lifetime. When we work on those, your overall health is so much better and you have better longevity and you have more permanent results to your healing.
The scars are really the roadmap to your health. All the other stuff, we’re just going through it just to get there. When a lot of people go to practitioners and they’re like, oh, I did this and that, and I felt great, but it came back. It’s because you did not treat the real root of the problem. It wasn’t your liver. It wasn’t your intestine. It was actually your C-section scar, compiled on top of all those other traumas from gymnastics and snowboarding and hitting your head or wrestling over the course of your lifetime. All those dents in the meridians and where you are today, your roadmap of your entire life, is who you are.
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Dr. Wendy Myers
That’s why it’s really important when you’re trying to look at how to address a health issue to try to avoid surgery at all costs if you don’t need it. I think there’s a lot of very unnecessary surgeries that can be addressed, but usually not with a conventional medical doctor. You don’t need your gallbladder out. Most people don’t need their appendix out, maybe for an emergency. I’ve heard of a lot of people that get those two types of surgeries and then get scar tissue that causes intestinal blockages later, among other problems. All these women doing fillers all on their face, plastic surgery, and all these voluntary treatments, people don’t realize the long-term health consequences that can come from those procedures,
Julie E
Take a scar from an appendectomy or a hysterectomy, not only do we have to treat the scar, but we also have to treat the problem that was going on that made you need to get the surgery. Just because they did the surgery and took out your thyroid or your gallbladder does not mean they fixed the root of the problem. The root of the problem might be in the gallbladder or the thyroid, but rarely. Usually it’s in these meridians, these energy channels. It’s like, why does my elbow hurt? People are like, why do I have cellulite? Well, let’s trace the patterns through the body. The extremities are just an offshoot from the organs, but the meridians actually start in the fingers and the toes. So, the first type of mud pack that we do, I know we will go into that in a second, but I’ll introduce it, is we mud pack a finger and a toe. I cannot explain how good your body feels as energy starts flowing just from going to the end points. It’s really a big deal.
To finish the point about the new scars, it’s like every scar, liposuction. I’ve seen people that get biopsies. Do not get a biopsy unless you absolutely need it. We can do energy testing and we can do functional medicine testing to figure out what’s going on. But the medical doctors traditionally are really good at blocking how you feel and cutting things out. I look at it as that’s the illness system and what we do is wellness. I choose wellness. If there was a life or death situation, I’d be really excited if there was a medical doctor there. But for the rest of my life, I really focus on healing the body naturally and figuring things out rather than cutting and blocking.
Dr. Wendy Myers
It really takes someone being very proactive and paying usually out of pocket for a functional practitioner to look at what all your options are. I really advise people, look at all of your options. Get as much info as you can before you go into a surgery. I think many times people will find they don’t need it, especially if there’s an injury or their shoulder that got dislocated. There are a lot of different types of surgeries that people go through where they just really need physical therapy and there’s so many different examples we can go into because the scar tissue and opening up the capsule of different joints really can cause a lot of long-term issues.
I’ve had plastic surgery I had in my breast implants, repair and then the implants taken out, liposuction and all this ridiculous stuff. I didn’t need any of it. I deal with a lot of scar tissue today that really annoys me. I know that there’s a lot of different issues. I feel like the scar tissue has expanded. Can you talk a little bit about that? I think scar tissue can expand and grow. People have problems with fistulas when they have tubes inserted in them. My father had a big problem with that. They could have problems with, like I mentioned, the intestinal blockages from abdominal surgeries because the scar tissue is literally growing at a slow rate, but albeit still growing.
Julie E
Well first of all, everybody has scar tissue in their intestines, whether you realize it or not. Scar tissue is always there and we’ll never know if it is because you failed a hundred times as a child learning how to walk or playing any sport. Kids fall all the time. And just think about that for a second because we’re both moms. On the soccer field, the dads are always like, get up, you’re fine. I’m like, no. When kids collide in their heads and the first thing I’m thinking about is we need to laser them and heal them and do something quickly because if you treat something at the moment it happens, it doesn’t become a long-term problem.
But our society is programmed like, just get up, keep going. You’re fine. Unless they had to take him to the hospital. And so, we all have scar tissue and most people have poor digestion. The thing that breaks down scar tissue or enzymes, in this case, it’s not necessarily digestive enzymes, but I believe that if we had better digestion and we had better energy flow throughout our body, the body is a smart machine and it would repair. But once you start getting scar tissue and then now that’s created a blockage, I think the body just starts to build more in that area because there’s less circulation. The average person is not just laying there thinking, oh, let me just heal my energy. They do other activities and actually when the kidneys are weak, people are more klutzy and so they fall and they bang more.
There are usually two kidneys. I do have some people that have three or one, but the kidneys have to filter out every single thing that goes on you and around you from your laundry detergent to the pollution in the air. When I first see a new person, a new client, for most people, half of their detox system is not working on an energy test. We’re not detoxing on a regular basis the way we should be. I know you’re talking about this all the time. So, our organs get clogged and tired. They get weak and they get feeble. Anything can happen in the body. It might be scar tissue. It might be an infection starting to grow yeast. All kinds of things can happen. In the exam, I use the car as an example in a house all the time for people. They can understand that we get a 3000 mile oil change. If you don’t, your car does not work as well. And so the times you’re like, oh gosh, something’s wrong with my car. I hope it’s not 3000 bucks.
You take it and you get the $30 oil change and you’re like, ah, it’s all better. So if you’re 40 or 50 or 60 or 80 years old and you’ve never had a thorough oil change, think about that for a minute. Even some of these kids, especially today’s kids, with the amount of drugs and stuff like food poisons and air pollution they’re exposed to, we can take that number all the way down to 18. By the time you’re 18, if you haven’t had an oil change, your body is not doing a good job filtering, emulsifying, detoxing and eliminating waste, and so that stuff is just hanging out everywhere. Then you get a scar on top of it or a trauma. Whether it’s a physical cut or injury or a broken bone, teenagers now are getting tattoos everywhere. The ink is going into the body, plus it’s breaking through the plane of the skin. That’s considered a trauma as well. And if your kidneys are not working, you’re gonna have brain fog. You’re gonna have toxicity and you’re probably gonna end up with more scar tissue building and building on top of each other.
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Dr. Wendy Myers
I wanted to talk a little bit about tattoos. I love tattoos. I think they’re really hot on men. I like them, especially Latin men. I look at people that have tons of tattoos and I’m like, oh my God, they’re so toxic. My heart goes out to them because I think they don’t realize what they’re doing. I didn’t think about the scar tissue component on top of that. Of course, that needle’s going in there, pretty deeply and breaking through that dermis. Can you talk about toxins in tattoo ink?
Julie E
It is xeno toi at minimum, and it depends on probably how many colors and how much, or how big the tattoo is. Let me first go back to your emotional state. Your nutritional state at the time of the trauma, the tattoo, the piercing, whatever it is, dictates if it becomes problematic or not. And so if you are healthy and your detox assembly line is working well and you’re in a good state and you’re like, I’m gonna go get a tattoo. I’m happy and relaxed, it’s less likely to become problematic. If you’re drunk or you’re a mess or you’re stressed or emotional and you’re like, I’m going to get a tattoo, that one is probably gonna cause more problems in your body. As we know, the emotional body is a big part of our health. We bring it down to that. So, if you stay nutritionally savvy and your organs are working pretty well, most of the time, it may or may not be a problem 30 years later.
We do assess each one. When I work with somebody, I assess which ones are the problem. Then there’s the location. The back of the neck is way more sensitive. That’s where the meridians are, and it’s going to depend somewhat on where the location is on the body, but somewhat on that person. So, if you’re a person with emotional stuff, heart trauma or some kind of bacterial infection in the heart that you don’t even know exists, or you’ve had 15 bad breakups or deaths of loved ones and you get a tattoo on a heart meridian, it’s gonna be more problematic for you.
Dr. Wendy Myers
That’s a really good differentiation for sure. Just with detoxification we talk about all day long how there’s a bell curve. Some people drink and smoke till they’re a hundred. They’re great, they’ve no problems. They’ve got great detox genetics and everything’s working fantastic. Other people, the other end of the spectrum, chronic complex illness, they just can’t get better no matter what. No matter what they do, those people are accumulating toxins or not releasing them. The same principles apply for people to get tattoos. If you’re healthy, you can get rid of the heavy metals and the inks better than the next person.
Julie E
One way to know if your body is handling the ink and the toxins is everything under here. This double chin, if we wanna call it, most of the time it is toxins stored in the parathyroid. You could see a skinny person with a massive neck or a thinner looking person with big cellulite. Toxins are stored in your fat cells, in your cellulite and definitely in the parathyroid. I have never in my 29 years of my clinic seen anybody that comes in with a thyroid problem that actually has a thyroid problem. It’s usually the parathyroid and it’s dental work or tattoos, piercings, and trauma. The body is just holding onto toxicity.
I wanna make that point and clear to people that just because you get a tattoo on your arm and it looks fine doesn’t mean it did not affect you. Your detox organs have to filter all of that out. And so yeah, every needle is a little trauma. It depends on your state of mind and health on that day. And then more than likely, some of that ink is releasing that area and going through the assembly line and it’s gotta get filtered through pee poop, sweat, and exhale it out. If it’s not, I think a lot of people will know this, how many people have low back pain? How many people have what we call angry liver or bloated? Those are your liver and gallbladder and kidneys. Your first three biggest components of your detox system. Who’s to say which one’s more important? There are other ones that are important too, but the main parts of your detox system, most people have symptoms related to them.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Yeah, for sure. Let’s talk about root canals, because this is something that I’ve talked about many times on the show, but maybe not in the context of how they cause scar tissue. Let’s just shine some light on that because it’s a huge problem. Most people have a root canal, some people have five, and there’s definitely a correlation with cancers and the number of root canals you have. There are a lot of problems with traditional dental work and functional dentists or the holistic dentists say, don’t get root canals, pull the tooth and get an implant. I have concerns about that too. Talk about some of the issues with root canals.
Julie E
Well, first of all, just because you get a root canal procedure doesn’t mean they’ve gotten rid of the problem. I think that’s the number one issue. A root canal means that there’s so much infection that the nerve is dead. So, when they do the root canal procedure, and I’m not a dentist by any means, this is just what I know, they don’t get rid of the infection. They just cut the tooth out, so you still have this infection. On my website you can download the meridian from your teeth. There are meridians from your teeth to different organs as well as your hands, feet, and tongue.
We can trace things back. Where your teeth are, it’s probably also gonna correlate to an organ or gland, but then, they’re gonna inject something into your gums more than likely, which usually stays because there’s not a good pump through the gums. So, unless you’re pumping that out through your gums and your lymph, that medicine now stays in your mouth and your body is probably trying to detox it all the time. You have the injection, you have the infection, and then whatever the dental procedure is, it may or may not be traumatic emotionally to you. It may or may not be traumatic physically, but it’s usually the dentist who says they try to have virgin teeth that have no work on them.
We use ozone to kill infection and of course internal nutrition. We also do topical mud therapy right on top of the teeth and the gums and it pulls heavy metals out quickly. But anything from the mouth could end up causing traffic jams in the neck, arm, and shoulder. If you’ve already had a shoulder injury, now you just have even more neck pain. Everything from the belly button up energetically drains out the hands. And so, anything that happens in the mouth could cause aches and pains down the arm. If you already have a traffic jam there from just scar tissue, men, rugby, football, wrestling, anything, gymnasts, maybe. Now, just because they did the root canal again, doesn’t mean they fixed the problem. This traffic jam is probably gonna cause another problem in the same area or right next to it.
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Dr. Wendy Myers
I just wanted to illuminate that a little bit. I think people don’t always think about the root canals and the problems those can be causing. Let’s talk about mud packing. You’ve mentioned that a couple of times. This is what I wanna talk about, and other solutions you might have for remedying scars. I have a couple thoughts too, but let’s talk about the mud packing, what that is exactly, and the benefits.
Julie E
It’s exactly like it sounds. It’s actual mud. You get to be a kid again. It is messy. It’s an ancient remedy. I’m not the first person to invent it. I think they started this in India and in Ayurveda. Some of the first mud that I’ve had comes from India. So, we literally take a dehydrated mud powder and we mix it with a mineral serum that has algae in it. Sometimes we mix it specifically with something with chlorella. It’s a heavy metal detox and it puts minerals and nutrients into the body. We literally take a dry and wet ingredient to mix it. It looks like chocolate pudding, and you put it topically on the body. It pulls 50% of the toxins out instantly. The pack depends on where it is in the body and what we’re doing.
There are a few different ways to do the packs. Anywhere from three to nine minutes. I have done probably a thousand to 1500 mud packs in my lifetime, or maybe even more. I can usually do 20 to 25 on one person in one sitting when they’re healthy enough to do that. Just for this example, 90 minutes is equivalent to six months of detoxing that the average person does. It is fast, it is potent, it is strong, and it could make someone feel worse if they’re not nutritionally savvy. It’s a lead up. That’s why it’s step three in my protocols, because we gotta get the organs to work well before we do the mud packing. It’s topical. We have a different mud that we use topically than we use in the mouth.
We can use it in the mouth. We can use it up the nose and we can use it inside the genital area and it just pulls the toxins out. What we’ll do before we put it on is we’ll tap the area. We might go into an infrared sauna to release some of the toxins to the surface. We do this thing called the rotational swirl. What we’re doing is we’re trying to drive toxins out of storage more to the surface. The mud acts like a magnet. We call it maximum action exchange. It’s got a positive charge and the toxins are negative, and it literally pulls the toxins out. We know things move from an area of high to low concentration. So, the mud is on your body acting like a magnet, and the toxins are moving from an area of high to low concentration.
It’s really quick. It’s really effective. Just to give an example of how two people can feel, last month I mudded a 42-year-old woman. She has a little child and has had a lot of stress in her life. I’ve been working with her for 10 years. It’s the first time we have muddied her because I haven’t given her permission and we did it. She felt horrible after she didn’t poop the next day and she ended up sick, her and her daughter for a few days. The next day, I mudded a 55-year-old woman who never poops in her life. Her kids are more grown. She doesn’t have as much stress in her current life. She never felt better. She had the best poops of her life for four days after we mudded her and I probably did less packs on the younger person.
What I did with this older woman, not that she’s old, but she is 55. She told me that day when we were mudding that she fell on her kneecaps out of a car and got dragged for a couple of minutes when she was like six. She had never told me this. I’d been working with her for 17 years and it just came out like, it’s amazing how people remember their trauma suddenly at a certain moment. What we found was both of her knees had no energy in them. The left leg from the top of the foot all the way up the shin, there was one pathway along one meridian that had no energy. So, we started the mud at the foot. We did a pack on the foot, and we did a bunch of packs just on her shin up to her one knee, so that knee was blocked down to her shin. Think about how many times you use your feet in a day and you walk. That was shutting down her colon. We mudpack her foot and her shin, and she had four days of the best poops of her life.
Dr. Wendy Myers
That sounds awesome.
Julie E
I use energy testing QRA and the O ring. I don’t like the arm. I do the O ring because it’s more accurate and has been in 55 medical journals. I used this energy test to determine things like where we need to pack and what’s going on in the body. For her, it was just from her knee down and it changed her entire life.
Dr. Wendy Myers
That is so fascinating. One of my practitioners brought up mud packing to me and I was like, oh, this sounds interesting. I’d never really have heard it explained or really looked into that. But that’s really fascinating. It makes sense. Clays are used as binders and people can take those certain types internally and they’re gonna attract toxins, just like you mentioned with the cation exchange and attraction to remove toxins outta the body, just like a binder. So it perfectly makes sense.
Julie E
The pack will pull about 50% of the toxins out is what we say. How will we really know unless we measure? We definitely take some binders and aloe and or salt or maybe charcoal, bentonite clay. We also wanna make sure that after we do this mud packing session, that we get the rest of the stuff that we’ve stirred up out of the body. So, maybe a coffee enema. The mud packing procedure, the way I have outlined it, is that you can’t do it until you’re nutritionally savvy and we know that you’re pooping and sleeping well and sweating, or detoxing on some level. And then once we do it, we take a few different nutrients before we do it. We take some aloe or salt right before every pack that you put on your body.
We wanna make sure the stomach stays on while you’re detoxing because some people, if the stomach shuts down, they have a poor experience. They don’t feel as good after. And then after the mud packing session, once you eat, we take more minerals and electrolytes and we soak in the ocean or in ocean salt, not Epsom salt to be clarified. Ocean salts also with bentonite clays and we either soak our hands and our feet or our entire body and that way we pull more toxins out. For those that are savvy and into it, we recommend coffee enemas. That way, your mud packing session actually lasts about a week. You soak right after. Some people soak two times in a row right after and later that night. But I always recommend soaking again two to three days later and two to three days after that because nothing is done in one moment. It’s like you’re gonna now be heightened detoxing and heightened releasing for a few days.
You’ll also take a higher level of some of those binders and nutrients for a few days and go to sleep early to make sure that you wake up in your new body. It’s pretty phenomenal to wake up in your new body. So I’ve done, as I’ve said, many packs over the years. We didn’t have the system dialed so perfectly. I’ve done numerous wasteful packs for 45 minutes, but it is never wasteful. You’re always pulling something out. After a session like I just described with this woman, her foot to her shin, imagine going to it like a yoga class and you’re like, oh my God, my whole entire leg moves differently. I feel different muscles I can open and move in a totally different manner. It’s pretty profound.
Dr. Wendy Myers
It makes sense. The heavy metals are attracted to these areas of the body’s depositing their garbage. This one more area that can be a garbage disposal where the body will put toxins. The mud packs, are they also physically breaking down the scar tissue in any way? Do they help the scars heal at all?
Julie E
I believe they’re breaking down the scar tissue because the nutrients that are going in and you are absorbing them. They’re definitely making the areas less tender for people. They’re making the scars closer to invisible. They’re shrinking the scar. If someone has a scar right away, I’ll be the example. I had a C-section. I didn’t want one. I had one.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Yeah, me too.
Julie E
Anyway, that’s a whole other story, but I got a c-section, staples, the whole deal. As soon as I could, well, right away I started using laser and light therapy, red infrared and violet light. I have my little favorite. And so right away healing the area. Our cells communicate through light. As soon as I could touch the area, I started using castor oil. Castor oil is much more gentle. That’s my starting place for people that are not ready to do mud castor oil on the scar, and get the castor oil in. Once you’re able to twist and turn the scar and start breaking it down with your fingernails, you don’t want that scar to get keloid. So, we have ways to prevent it. Then we’ll talk about the treatment for the people that already have it. So then as soon as I was not nursing, I started doing mud therapy.
First, now you have a C-section. You could do mud therapy, but now you’re detoxing and it’s gonna go into your milk. You either have to pump and dump or soak a heck of a ton to really get it out of your body. I’m pretty sure I ended up having a trauma when my son was about eight months and the only way to heal my body was to start doing some mud therapy. I was pumping and dumping and soaking, but he didn’t really want the milk anymore. It was a problem. I would not suggest that for anyone if you could avoid it. Once you start doing the mud therapy, you can’t see my C-section scar. I can’t even find it. That’s what we’re looking for people in general.
If you have a scar, first of all, we only pack mud, and we only work on a scar about one inch at a time. So, if there is a scar that’s two inches or more, 100% of the time there’s infection in there. What happens is that if you’re a woman with that C-section, your kids get older, you start working out. Every time you’re doing crunches, twists, squats, lunges, that garbage can is like secreting toxins out of your body. You have a scar on your forearm or your arm and you’re working out or raking or anything. Toxin gets secreted into your body because remember the body used that as a garbage can for however many years that’s been there, especially the ones that are thick and keloid and your skin is your biggest organ.
If you have a scar that is at all visible, there is some variance of a traffic jam there. You wanna start working on it to break down some of the toxins and the keloids and the scar tissue, but just a small amount at a time. What I recommend, I’ll give you the castor for example because that’s easier for people. It’s gentle, it’s affordable, and especially if you do it in the bathtub, the shower or the sauna, then you don’t have to sit with a pack on it for hours. Most people won’t do that. I have people put castor oil on their detox organs three to four times a week before they shower, bathe, or sauna. Under the right breast, everything below the navel front and back pretty much covers most of your detox organ.
For those of you that remember, you could do your mess up here and then once a week you pick a scar. During one of those sessions, you also do the scar, but if you do the scar without the detox organs, you’re gonna cross this traffic jam again. But if you do a piece of the scar and all your detox organs, when you dump it out of a scar and it goes circulating, at least you’re also nourishing the rest of your organs. So that’s how I have people start to work on scars. It’s one inch at a time with all of the rest of your organs getting tended to. And then of course you’re doing your hopefully internal nutrients and sometimes soaking.
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Dr. Wendy Myers
Can you talk about the mechanism of the castor oil and how that’s helpful for detox?
Julie E
Castor oil is like a nutrient. It’s nourishing, but it’s also acting like the mud in a way. It’s like gently pulling some of the toxins out and so it increases circulation. It makes people feel better. I can give all the scientific information, but I think people usually want the layman’s terms. You feel better. I have clients that tell me castor oil is magic. They’ve gotten rid of everything under the sun in their body from using castor oil. It’s something I put people on right from the beginning because we can take nutrients for your liver, gallbladder, kidney, intestine, or you can do $15 a bottle, all of the organs at the same time in one remedy.
There are other remedies. I use various essential oils and I think sometimes cupping or some other treatments might work. But castor oil is just one of the ones that I use because it comes in the nutrition department. It’s something I was exposed to. It’s from a bean. It’s healthy. It has to be in a glass or dark bottle blocking light and it has to be free of hexane and all kinds of excipients.
So, you gotta be really careful about that. A lot of castor oils people like are in a clear bottle. Dark bottle, good castor oil. Your skin is your biggest organ. Whatever you put on it gets absorbed in 20 seconds and it’s gonna do magic. I think these days my castor oil TikTok video, out of anything I’ve done in the past 30 years, was the one that got trillions of views and I have customers and regular clients and mem people, members of my health club from that video. I’m not the only one talking about it. It’s becoming popularized. People are hip to the idea of castor oil growing your eye, growing your eyelashes or whatnot, but it goes way beyond that. It goes in, gently starts to put nutrition in to heal the organ. I think it’s like a panacea. It gives the organ whatever it needs, whether it’s a little push to get toxins out or a little energy and because it’s so soft, it just goes in nicely.
Dr. Wendy Myers
I wish it wasn’t so damn sticky. That’s the only thing that annoys me. But that’s a good idea to put it on. I never thought about putting it on and taking a shower.
Julie E
Oh, I don’t have to. I almost never sell the cotton flannels, and I have probably less than 0.5% of my clients doing that because everyone showers or bathes. A lot of people go in the sauna. So, when I go in the sauna, the first couple minutes I’m breathing and then I’m rubbing castor oil in. And when I go in the shower, same thing. I have my clients that it takes a few days till people remember. Then once they start doing it, they’re very consistent. 20 seconds things go into your body and you’re usually standing in the shower the first two or three minutes going, ah, that feels so good. It’s already in your body. And when we do the bath and the sauna, I liken it to how we’re taught to do a breast exam. As women, I have people start to massage their body. You put the cast oil on your organs and then maybe you’re tapping or maybe you’re swiping or squeezing, and people are like, oh, that’s tender. Oh, that’s not. And they start to be more body aware. So, it’s got these other hidden agendas in it. People start paying more attention to their body when they start using it.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Let’s talk about your course. You have a mud packing course. Can you talk about that?
Julie E
I’m very excited to have launched that. I scoured the internet and nobody has a mud therapy course. It’s such a huge part of what I do and how I have reversed my age to that of a 12-year-old, my telomeres twice before any biohacking equipment that I’ve ever had. I have to give credit to the mud therapy and all the nutrients. I have some other courses on my website. But if you go to the course dropdown menu, we will introduce you to why you do mud therapy, how to do it, what you’ll need, both the nutrients and just towels, et cetera. We’ve only launched a few so far, starting with fingers and toes, and then hands and feet. The next ones coming are arms and legs, and then the actual scars. I put those out there first because I know people and I’ve had it happen here, I send them home with mud and they put it on their liver and they’re like, oh, this feels good. Let me do it here and there and there.
No, you want to have maximum benefits. So, you pack one spot at a time with one purpose, you take it off and you move on to the next place. And because I’m putting this out there to the public and I just described the difference between two people that I work with, horrible and amazing, I wanted to make sure that people start with super basics, mudding a finger and a toe. I can explain that in a second, but way more gently. If you feel terrible after that, slow down. Slow and steady wins the race. I figure giving people a little baby a preschool version, the beginning, starting place of your mud therapy. If you feel good after that, you can move on.
First, we’re looking at opening your channels. We’re just trying to get flow for all those people that are not detoxing well or regularly or have tons of scars. You’re gonna feel better just by opening up the flow of energy, just like you would if we gave your liver some support or your kidneys. We mud the finger and the toe, and it’s what I have found. So, by the way, the reason we do this is because I’ve done a million other healthy things on people’s bodies, and then people are like, I’m still bloated. I did everything you said, I’ve been diligent, I’m sleeping, et cetera. And then I went to yoga last night and now I look five months pregnant.
Six of that person’s toes were reflexing to and shutting down for the small intestine, similar to the girl with the knee and the shin. It’s an anatomical man, your hands are facing forward and it’s the thumb and the pinky. It’s the corresponding digit. It’s your pinky finger and your big toe. You mud those two at the same time. In that case you have two packs for one session. We put the mud on and then instantly you feel that. It’s on for about five minutes on a finger and a toe. Because cause energy is always moving, sometimes while someone’s mudding they have this giant yawn. You’re done. If you were with me, I would do O-ring testing and you would see that we would point right at the finger with the mud. And the mud would test strong. As soon as the pack is done, when you’re done, it tests weak because now it’s toxic in the mud. We rinse it off right away.
You never want that mud ever back on your body. And then you move on to the next pack. So, the first course is walking you through fingers and toes, and then hands and feet. We do the hands and feet the same way I just described the fingers and toes. We do the palm of your hand. By the way, a mud pack is never bigger than the palm of your hand. A giant person’s hands can do bigger packs. Whether you put it on your liver or your kidney, we pack the top of the hand, the front of the hands that I’m showing you, an anatomical man, and the top of the foot. First, we do fingers and toes, then we do hands and feet. You’re already gonna feel way more open regardless of how many scars you have.
The next step would be packing your detox organs. Then we move into scars. I’m really working towards simplifying it. There’s a lot of different ways we can pack the scars. I’m giving people the warmups, the baby steps, get used to mudding, make it part of your medicine chest kit so that you can use this as a treatment and we’ll go from there. The mudding of your detox organs, I have people do that monthly. Once you get past the fingers and toes, I know some people will skip the fingers and toes. I know they will. It’ll be okay. You just do your detox organs, you’ll feel better. You’ll have even better results if you do fingers and toes first. If you don’t have anyone to test you, you can do all of the fingers and toes. It’s not gonna be a big deal.
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Dr. Wendy Myers
Do you sell this mud on your website?
Julie E
Yeah, we sell the mud kit and then there’s some extras, in case you wanna get some extra nutrients. So yes, all of that is for sale on the website as of this morning.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Alright, fantastic. Tell us about your website again.
Julie E
It’s julieehealth.com.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Okay, great. Let’s talk about some other ways to address scars as well. Like you mentioned cupping. I love cupping. I’ve done cupping for a few years now and I go to a place nearby here and they have all kinds. There are infrared cups you can use and I think it’s great to break up scar tissue, break up fascia and it has lots of different benefits. So that’s another way
Julie E
I think that there are thousands of types of therapies, something new pops up like Jin Shin Jyutsu. There are so many things. Everyone feels better from their own type of treatment, right? Like acupuncture never did anything for me. It made me not feel nauseous when I was pregnant for the time I was there. The second I left, I was nauseous again. Some people love acupuncture. I think across the board people should try things. Be open to try different types of techniques. I am sure mud therapy is not the only one. It’s the only one I have found to be permanent when you really do what you need to do on a scar correctly that never comes back as a weak, energetic area in your body.
I have never tested anyone that’s done cupping thoroughly, but I think some level of an aesthetician, the way she breaks down a scar on the face, they use needles in there, puncturing it. I’m sure there’s something to acupuncture if someone really worked on a scar, but I would want them to also work on all your detox organs. I do craniosacral therapy and lymphatic massage. My body loves that. I have similar results from that as I do from mud therapy in terms of how I feel. Traffic jams are open. I feel better and I feel like I can access deeper parts of my body from that. I don’t know another treatment that works as good as mud for permanent results, but I believe all these other treatments open you up and, if they work and it’s permanently healed, that’s amazing. If not, then when you put the mud on it, then you’re gonna be done healing that area.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Okay, fantastic. Are there any other treatments you recommend for scars that you think are really effective?
Julie E
Well, I think, historically people talk about vitamin E or wheat germ oil on the scar. I don’t think there’s any harm in doing that. I do believe that that has worked in the past before I started mud therapy, but I’ve been using mud therapy for like 25 years. I almost don’t remember other treatments. I think the castor oil laser for sure works, working with the laser. I use this little handheld laser. Have you ever seen this one?
Dr. Wendy Myers
The scaler laser? No, I haven’t.
Julie E
It has red infrared and violet light. I have people to use, so it’s pretty easy. It fits in my pocket, fits in my purse. I take it everywhere I go. I injured myself in Costa Rica. I had my laser and my nutrients with me. I was a hundred percent better in less than 24 hours because mud is like a whole production. I think of it like castor oil is messy. You have to do it in the shower. Nutrients you can take anytime. Laser you can do anywhere. Mud is messy and you need a lot more time to do it. So, we have to have these different phases of what can I do, right?
Dr. Wendy Myers
I think that light therapy is one of the best, I think for anywhere, anytime, any day and easy. And there are only more and more devices coming out. What is the name of that device?
Julie E
This is the Scalar Wave Laser. You can also see this on my website and there’s a description. I think everyone that’s in the book, the Secret has one, famous Yoga Beach people, some NFL teams and. I’ve had this for 12 years and now I own five. You could put it on a scar or you put it on your liver or your kidney and in just four minutes it’s like you just start yawning and relaxing. It puts you into still points. It was designed by a yoga guy slash craniosacral therapist whose father was a Harvard doctor and he got rid of dental infection using a laser, and ended up creating this.
I love this because it drops and bangs and still works and it fits in every bag, and I can take it with me everywhere I go. As soon as you have a trauma, I took it to my son when he played little league. They dive on like practically cement and into each other, into the bag or whatever. One kid had a really bad injury. I went into the dugout with 10 year olds and I was the crazy lady with the laser, but it’s not a problem. It decreases inflammation and pain instantly. I think as far as remedies and things we can have with us at all times, I think light therapy, topical castor oil is super easy, advanced mud therapy, and then of course all your internal nutrients.
I think for acupuncture and all the other things, you have to go to somebody. I’m empowering people to like having a little healing center in your home. You have to have tools. If I’m in another country, the last thing I wanna do is start looking for a practitioner or a store to get something. If someone in my circle is injured, I wanna have tools with me.
Dr. Wendy Myers
That’s why we’re doing this podcast so that people give people the tools to empower them. For me, I don’t wanna have to outsource or go to anyone. I love to have tons of tools ready to go to deal with anything and it’s amazing. My daughter never has to go to a doctor or never like a medical doctor. I rarely go to doctors. Maybe I will go to a doctor to get hormone replacement therapy and things like that. But other than that, I’ve got it covered pretty good. I totally got it covered and I love that. I love having the peace of mind with all the tools that I talk about on the podcast to address whatever issue. It’s incredibly empowering.
Julie E
Absolutely. This might be our second conversation. My son is 20 and in his second year of college and he’s never been to a medical doctor and he’s never missed a day of school for illness ever, from preschool through all the way. That’s great. It’s doable. You can do it. Anyone can do it. My whole website is do it yourself. I walk people through building a biofield and assembly line and ordering their own lab tests. I work remotely with people if they need help, but it’s also there for people that just wanna do DIY. I think that’s where people are at right now. Most people are like, okay, the medical system has failed them or they’re scared of it. Not everyone, but most people are looking for what can I do to stay in the wellness and outside of the illness. So, I love having tools as well.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Why don’t tell us what your website is again, and how people can work with you. I’m sure a lot of people listening are gonna wanna work with you one-on-one after hearing this or take your course. What is your site again?
Julie E
My site is julieehealth.com and there’s the DIY section. The courses, my Instagram, and YouTube are all Julie E Health.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Okay, great. What is the unpacking course called?
Julie E
It’s called Mud Packing.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Mud Packing. Okay, great.
Julie E
You’ll see it. One of the toolbar is courses dropdown, you’ll see it, and there’s a couple of other courses in there. I make all my courses really inexpensive. I want people to have access.
Dr. Wendy Myers
Okay, fantastic.
Julie E
Yeah, now they’re less than $50. They’re totally accessible. 30.
Dr. Wendy Myers
That’s great. Well, Julie, thank you so much for coming on the show. That was fantastic. I really loved this conversation we were having, and I’m like, I need to try some mud packing. It’s one of the detox things that I haven’t done before, so I’m definitely gonna try it
Julie E
That’s so amazing.
Dr. Wendy Myers
I don’t know why
Julie E
Because you’re the detox expert. So here we go.
Dr. Wendy Myers
It has escaped me trying to do more difficult, expensive things like most people. I think I’m gonna order some off your website right now, but it sounds great. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Everyone, I’m Dr. Wendy Meyers. Thanks for tuning in every week to all the experts that I have on the show. My goal is just to help you upgrade your health, give you some ideas, some new ways of thinking and approaching your health, so that you can get the health results that you are looking for. Thanks for tuning in.
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