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- 01:23 Evan Brand’s The Stress Solution
- 05:50 Statistics on Stress
- 07:28 Reducing Stress
- 12:12 The Stress Response
- 15:02 Coffee and Cancer
- 22:58 Controlling Your Responses to Stress
- 30:41 Supplements for Reducing Stress
- 37:44 Preventing Dependency on Stress Supplements
- 39:51 Minerals for Reducing Stress
- 42:53 Tips for Reducing Stress
- 55:15 The Stress Solution Program
Wendy Myers: Welcome to the Live to 110 Podcast. I’m your host, Wendy Myers. You can find me on myersdetox.com. You can find this video podcast on my YouTube channel, WendyLiveto110 and on the corresponding blog post.
I’m having my friend, Evan Brand on my show today. He inspired me to do this podcast and I wanted to have him on to celebrate my 100th episode.
Evan Brand: Yay!
Wendy Myers: Woo-hoo! I meant to get some party hats and some little…
Evan Brand: We should’ve! We could’ve done Google+ because then you can put little effects.
Wendy Myers: I guess have some confetti and what-not.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Wendy Myers: But Evan, I have to say, you inspired me to do my podcast. I was a guest on your podcast a couple of years ago and I thought, “If he’s doing it, I should do a podcast.” It was so much fun and I had a really good time and I decided, “Whatever! I’m going to do my own podcast.”
Evan Brand: I know. I don’t even remember how I found you actually. It’s been so long ago. So much has changed for you and I both in our business and personal lives. It’s kind of awesome to be able to ride the train together really.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, absolutely. It’s amazing how your podcast has grown. You host the Not Just Paleo Podcast.
Evan Brand: Yes, ma’am. Hopefully, people have checked it out by now. If they haven’t, you’ve been on there ten times or something.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. I’m coming on again too soon hopefully.
Evan Brand: Yeah, yeah.
Wendy Myers: But we’re going to talk today about your new program. It’s called Stress Solutions. You wrote a book for it and you had four guest experts including myself talking a little bit about adrenal fatigue and minerals, my favorite subjects. Can you tell us a little bit about your program?
Evan Brand: Sure, yes. Just like REM Rehab, when I worked third shift at UPS, I was miserable myself and I think the best teachers are the ones who suffer. I mean, we’re all out here on the front trying to teach you how to be healthy, but we’re unhealthy ourselves and we burn ourselves out trying to do this. That’s what I did with sleep. So I made that guide. You were an expert there too.
And then now, Stress Solutions because I basically burnt myself out moving to Austin, getting a new job, getting engaged, getting married, moving in together for the first time.
Anybody who grows up basically understands that when you become an adult that you have all these new responsibilities and stressors. That can be the first taste of real stress for somebody because you’re so sheltered – not in a bad way. When you’re surrounded by the good vibes of your friends and family, you don’t really get a good taste of what real stress is, and isolation, because you’re protected by them in a way.
So for me, I really got that taste of it and my health suffered and a lot of my clients email me about stress. It manifests in different forms. Some people get depressed by stress. Some people get anxiety from stress. And then some people, they just feel like crap and they’re not motivated to do anything because their brain is on overload.
So Stress Solution was a creation from that. And basically, I just wanted to distill all the information in the science and literature and recommend things that are actually going to help people that are not prescription drugs, that are going to sidetrack people’s results.
I mean, so many of my clients now, not that it’s my goal (I don’t take people of drugs), but so many people want to get off their anti-anxiety drugs, Xanax and all that stuff because their life just took so much of a toll that they just wanted to grab for anything. They were drowning in stress. So hopefully, we can talk about how you can prevent becoming one of those statistics and becoming sort of a test dummy for these drugs. Most of the time, they make people worse over the long term.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. I hear you with being a fellow health coach or trying to convey allied health information on our websites. I have succumbed to stress. I can work myself to death because I love what I do so much. And I know yourself as a nutritional therapist, a nutritional therapy practitioner and a personal trainer, you also work very, very hard. I know you, you work very long hours to produce your podcast and you’ve got a couple of programs now. You’ve got Stress Solution. What’s your other one that you have?
Evan Brand: The first one was REMRehab.
Wendy Myers: Yes, yes, yes, uh-huh.
Evan Brand: That was the one where you came on and we talked about just all the different ways that people mess up their sleep. That’s still a bestseller, but for me, stress was sort of the biggest thing because I felt like the food chain of life and the food chain of health, stress is one of those things that’s top of the chain.
If your stress is off, you’re going to be impairing hydrochloric acid production for example. You’re going to have bad digestion. You may be having IBS issues, which stress is a huge component for. Even in myself, you know that, and what my struggles have been. If we can try to fix things at the top of the food chain, maybe the other I guess where the ‘train derails’, all those other things will sort of slip back into place.
So sleep is a good place to start, but I think stress is even a better place to start because there’s dietary stressors, there are emotional stressors. All these things can impact the brain and the body and the way it functions. If you fix that, you’re really doing a lot of good rather than I just throw you a bunch of supplements right off the bat.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I’m glad that you created this type of program because I believe stress is a number killer. It’s the number one cause of heart attack and all these domino effect in the body that depletes the minerals and causes adrenal fatigue. That creates its own cascade of events – reduced hormone production, which causes its own problems. It just has this huge domino effect that destroys our health and destroys our body.
Wendy Myers: Can you talk a little bit about some statistics or some information about how stress is so detrimental to our health.
Evan Brand: Oh, yeah. I mean, the main thing is cortisol. I’m sure you’ve said cortisol a million times on this show. Basically, it’s not always bad. Cortisol, in the light of health coaches and things like that, it always comes up as sort of this really bad thing. It’s not always bad and it’s not always high.
As far as research, what I’ve discovered, everybody’s talking about high cortisol, “I have high cortisol which is causing me weight gain around my mid-section” and things like that. But oftentimes, people will burn themselves out and burn themselves hot or burn the candle on both ends, whatever term you want to use for so long that they end up with low cortisol and now you can’t get yourself out of bed and then you have higher cortisol at night when you try to actually lay your head down on the pillow and you can go to sleep.
So that was something that was pretty interesting for me because I just assumed that anybody who had stress, you just had extremely high cortisol and you’re just eating all your muscle away, which I’ve experienced myself. That’s definitely the case in a lot of people, but I’m just trying to bring home the message that cortisol is just a hormone and it’s not automatically evil and you have to balance it. It’s not something that needs to be too low or that needs to be too high.
There’s one particular supplement that we could talk about a little bit later that’s super helpful. In the research, we’re actually regulating cortisol as opposed to jumping on an adrenal support supplement just to crank something up. That’s not automatically the first step for the recovery process.
Wendy Myers: Well, let’s talk about what is the first step. What is the first thing that you have to do to reduce stress?
Evan Brand: I think you even said this to me one time. You said you just have to learn to say no and stop overscheduling yourself, just stop overbooking yourself, stop spreading yourself too thin. That’s the first thing in your life. You only have so many hours in the day.
As far as how do you actually make that actionable, a recommendation that I use is to tell people to stay away from social media and stay away from your email inbox the first thing in the morning.
So if I get up and I need to write a blog article because that was my goal for the day, I’m going to try to write that article first. I may not finish it, but I’m at least going to try to start it because if I jump in the email inbox, I’m going to get lost and distracted and focused on those tasks and the clients and follow-ups and all that. You know how it goes.
Secondly, if I get on social media, then you start the whole envious process of, “Oh, how popular was so-and-so’s book.” Even if you’re not in the health world, I guarantee people can relate to the envy that’s created from social media. In my opinion, it’s a tool for depression if you use social media in the wrong way. So that’s my first step, to change the way people start their day.
And also, just by using a gentle alarm tone instead of like a nuclear bomb sound, you’re going to be much happier there. I had a friend who had that. It was ridiculous. It was almost like one of those sort of like if a nuclear bomb was coming, those sort of videos you watched in school as a kid and it’s like the sirens. That’s his alarm tone. Talk about waking up with a burst of adrenaline.
So now, personally, my wife and I, we use a little forest sound. iPhones and Android, they’ve all stepped their game up as far as alarm tones. There’s plenty of forest sounds and birds and peaceful things that you can choose to wake up to now.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, that sounds really relaxing to put you back to sleep.
Evan Brand: That’s the hard part. I’m ready to get up and just try to snooze it and then go back to sleep. But in my opinion, that’s another stressor. Once you’re up, you need to get up. You need to get out of bed and get your day started. There’s no reason to try to start throwing of your circadian rhythm and things like that.
Wendy Myers: I think a key also is just going to bed early enough, so you don’t have to have an alarm clock. I don’t know why, I just wake up every morning between 6:30 and 7:00 a.m. I don’t use an alarm clock ever.
Evan Brand: That’s great. I think when we first started talking, my schedule was not like that. But now, I’m basically a morning person. I suggest to anybody if they want to have great energy or even better energy to try to do what you’re doing, wake up with the sun. Sunrise is a biological process. The sunrise is not just, “Oh, there’s the sun.” You come out and you’re driving to work and, “Oh, there’s the sun. Oh, there’s the moon.” No, those things are there for a reason. When we’re trapped inside of buildings all the time, we lose track of those, but those are really important regulators of our system.
So try to wake up and get your eyes exposed to that bright light as soon as possible. And then when it’s dark, get in bed. You’re not a loser for going to bed early. I’m 24 and I go to bed at 9 p.m.
Wendy Myers: Like a grandpa.
Evan Brand: Yeah, exactly… which is ridiculous. My grandpa, he goes to bed at 11:30 and he’s done it for like 40 years. I don’t know how he does it.
Wendy Myers: Wow, wow. Yeah! I think that’s very, very important to wake up early, not go to bed [inaudible 00:10:59] if they’re sleeping until 9 a.m. or what-not. Go to bed early and then wake up in the bright light and expose your eyes to the very, very bright light to regulate your circadian rhythms. That’s a key in regulating your happiness and regulating your stress levels and getting your hormones and circadian rhythm on the correct timetable.
Evan Brand: And for you, you’re in California, so it’s sunny every day. You’re kind of spoiled. But for people that aren’t spoiled and they live in northern latitudes, I mean seasonal depression is a real thing and a lot of that has to do with the amount of light exposure.
I use and recommend light therapy boxes all the time. I use that in combination with the infrared bulb that you had me pick up. That’s a great way to start your day in the morning to still get your energy levels.
If you’re going to jump from your house into your car into your office, you’re never going to get a chance to expose yourself to the 10,000 lux (which is a measurement of brightness), you’re never going to get a chance to expose your eyes to that if you throw on the sunglasses right when you get in the car because of the glare. So that eye has to get hit by that natural light. That is so important.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, yeah. I absolutely agree.
Wendy Myers: So why don’t we talk a little bit about the stress response, what happens to someone’s body when they’re under stress?
Evan Brand: Yeah. So there’s a couple of different stages. There’s basically three stages of the stress response. The first one, everybody knows. It’s very common in the health world. It’s the fight or flight response. Everybody uses this. There’s nothing better than it. You’re being chased by a tiger, this is the fight or flight response.
Except now, the modern day tigers are bills, bosses – I want to keep it in the B’s. Just let’s say ‘bitches’, anywhere you encounter bitches whether it’s at the grocery store. You’re always going to find some grumpy person that’s going to try to ruin your day and that can put you in a fight or flight response.
So this is commonly what people are going to experience more than once per day. We’re built this to handle this. Humankind is built to handle acute stressors. That’s where we exceed. But we’re not built for handling chronic, acute stressor.
It sounds like kind of a double negative. But basically, if every five minutes, there’s a life or death situation popping up, you’re not built to handle that. And so you head in to stage II, which is the resistance reaction where your body is sort of – I wouldn’t say ‘shutting down’, but you’re going to be depleting all of your minerals, you’re going to be depleting your vitamins, which is why things like minerals (that you’re a huge proponent of), that’s why they’re so important. These spark plugs get depleted and you start running on three cylinders as opposed to four cylinders. You’re still going to get through life, but you’re going to need that extra cup of coffee and you’re going to dump your minerals even more.
So it begins the snowball effect and then you head in to stage III, which is the exhaustion phase. This is where people don’t even have the opportunity to get out of bed with energy anymore.
I’ve heard of people – and Wendy, this is for real. You may have too. I’ve heard of people where the husband or the wife has to deliver coffee to the bed to get a person out of bed.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I have heard of that before sadly.
Evan Brand: That’s ridiculous. That is the stage III. That’s exhaustion. Once you’re there, you’re going to need a lot of work and after talking with you, a lot more time than I first guessed and estimated to recover from something like that. A lot of people are entering and are currently in the exhaustion place and that’s not a good place to be.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I know. My father had to have three cups of coffee before he could start his day.
Evan Brand: Phew!
Wendy Myers: That was when I was in high school, so maybe 25 years ago and maybe a little bit more. That was 25 years ago. And then 20 years later, he developed cancer because even 20 years prior to him developing cancer, he was drinking three cups of coffee a day and just not living a healthy lifestyle at all. And so it takes time for stress to take its toll.
Evan Brand: Wendy, that makes me think of a question for you. Do you think that coffee played a role in his diagnosis? Was that something that was, in your opinion or experience, depleting nutrients, depleting minerals? How do you think that played a role for somebody to take advice from that?
Wendy Myers: I don’t think that coffee is really a big problem. I drink a little bit of coffee every day, half a cup maybe to a cup and that’s okay. But when people are getting into three cups or more a day, that definitely takes a big toll in the body because it raises cortisol, it depletes minerals like you said, depletes calcium and other minerals and it just keeps revving up your adrenals, revving up, revving them up, revving them up every time you take that stimulant, which is that caffeine and that further tires out your adrenals.
So it does contribute in subtle ways every single day, week by week, month by month, year after year to disease and illness. So you have to be careful. You have to take care of your adrenals.
Evan Brand: Yeah, that makes sense. And on that same note, a lot of people want to know what am I doing to add stress to my life. Stress doesn’t have to be just what happens to you at work or at home. Stress could be listening to very loud music while you’re working out. There’s a lot of my clients where if I have to pull the headphones away from them or make them work out in silence or at least try to turn the volume down, it impairs their workout.
I’m not saying that music is evil, but that’s just one of those things where you’re just pounding and pounding the nervous system and the nervous system is just taking a battle and it has to respond to this input.
Even watching negative news before you go to bed, that can be a very significant stressor that can impair your sleep quality – so looking at all the inputs.
When you’re in traffic, are you getting really pissed off in traffic or are you listening to Wendy’s podcast and you’re kind of chilling out and you’re accepting the fact that there is traffic and that it is what it is and you’re just kind of letting it go.
So a lot of stress has to do with the mind and the mindset and how you’re actually accepting or rejecting the situation that you’re put in. So I mean, all of us are going to have hard situations, all of us are going to be put in acute stressful situations, maybe some acute health issues, God forbid a car wreck or something like that. But every chance that you get, take the opportunity to take the lighter side. Try to laugh something off.
I mean, we all have the same end destination on this planet, so it’s about restructuring the way that you respond to these events. That can really make a huge impact. You and I have talked about this off air. That’s a huge healing process for the both of us.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I totally agree with you. You do have to change your responses to stressful situations. That’s why I recommend all my clients do meditation. I spent many, many years doing yoga as well. I spent 25 years doing yoga. That really helps you to change your perception of stressors and change your responses because it’s all about perception. Life is 90% perception. So if you can change your response to something, that makes all the difference in the world.
Someone could walk up to me and start calling me names or doing whatever, it’s not going to bother me. It’s not going to raise my cortisol because I’ve trained myself over so many years to control my responses to stressful situations. It’s a practice.
Evan Brand: Yeah. And it’s the same thing for food too. You can make yourself sick because you’re telling yourself that the food is going to make you sick. “Oh, I had one trace exposure to gluten. Now, all my health problems are going to come back.” That could be the case, but there’s sort of a mental aspect to where you’re having to eat a piece of beef that may not have been 100% grass-fed, organic beef, it is what it is. It’s going to keep you alive. Maybe it’s not in your best interest to freak out about it. So that’s sort of a restructuring that you just have to – you have to have some level of acceptance with yourself and realize that you may never have a perfect life or a perfect lifestyle.
Wendy Myers: I totally agree with you. I’ve had so many clients that they’re not doing this right, they’re not doing that right, whatever it is. They get so stressed out about doing their Mineral Power Program perfectly or taking the right supplements or eating the right food, eating carbohydrates at the right time or all these minute details. People can get so stressed out about making the right health choices. People just need to relax. It’s okay…
Evan Brand: Definitely!
Wendy Myers: It’s okay if you make mistakes.
Evan Brand: Definitely, yeah. And on that same note, there’s a lot of industries in the health business that are built up around convincing people that it needs to be more complex than it really is. I’m here to tell you that there’s a lot of BS out there.
For example, this is very beneficial, intermittent fasting. It’s very beneficial in the right person. However, there’s a whole piece inside of Stress Solutions where I’m like, “Hey, folks, we have to understand that we are not in the parasympathetic state.” So parasympathetic, the rest and digest. You have to be in that state to adequately basically assimilate and break down and put the nutrients into your body, absorb them. We’re not living any peaceful state of mind 99% of the time where intermittent fasting should always be used because fasting raises cortisol.
Why does it raise cortisol? Well, from an evolutionary perspective, probably because it would’ve stimulated to get off your butt, get out of the cave and go hunting because cortisol is a motivating hormone, which is why people chase it and they try to keep boosting it with coffee and whatever.
So in the right person, someone who has a good relationship and a healthy relationship with stress and they have some of the diet stuff in place, they’re not going through a divorce currently, things like that, intermittent fasting maybe beneficial.
Something that another expert, Dr. Justin, recommended people do, if you want to try something like that, try it on the weekend where it’s not going to be as stressful to your system.
That’s the goal of this whole talk today together. Stress, like I said, it’s not just what happens to you at work. Intermittent fasting, doing bulletproof coffee and then not eating all day, that is a stressor. That adds to your stress barrel that could overflow and cause you to burn out or have anxiety or depression or whatever.
Wendy Myers: And that’s exactly what I did today.
Evan Brand: Did you?
Wendy Myers: I had bulletproof coffee and I didn’t eat until noon. It was stressful. I felt my adrenalin pumping and I felt a little bit shaky and I have a little anxiety and mind-racing and stuff like. I try it every once in a while and I just continue to realize it’s not for me. I want to try it for weight loss or what-not. Really, my main motivation is weight loss. Forget the health benefits of it otherwise. I try it and it just doesn’t work for me. As much as I continue to try to do it, I just have to accept the fact that it doesn’t work.
I recommend to anyone you have to experiment with your body. You have to find out what works for you. You can’t make any recommendations across the board that everybody should try intermittent fasting or any other kind of health thing.
Evan Brand: Definitely! And I was fasting this morning too. I went to go meet with this guy in town. I don’t know, I guess I just got busy, I didn’t eat anything either. I started to get shaky and I kind of smacked myself and was like, “Man, I should’ve ate something, just a little bit of protein or something to hold me off.”
I break my own rules sometimes because I get busy, but then I pay for it. I get shaky and deal with some of the mood things too. I’ve been there, done that, which is why I feel like I’m credentialed enough to tell people not to do it.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. Yeah, do as I say, not as I do.
Evan Brand: Right!
Wendy Myers: So what are some of the things that you do to control your responses to stress?
Evan Brand: Well, meditation is a big part, but I’m a big fan and proponent of float tanks, which are popping up around the world. I’m sure there is one within a few hours of almost everyone listening. It’s essentially just a big room. Depending on what type of tank you’re in, it’s kind of like a spa in a way, but you’re getting in a big bath tub essentially of warm water that has about 1000 lbs. of Epsom salt in it and you’re floating on the surface of the water. You’re getting some transdermal absorption of magnesium, so you’re going to feel very relaxed.
It’s called ‘rest therapy’ when you start looking into PubMed for it. There’s 50% or greater reduction in cortisol levels after using one of these things. It’s super, super helpful. It’s basically the lazy man’s way to meditation. If you don’t want to actually try to meditate, you just jump in a tank and you can just kind of drift off in space by removing gravity because you’re floating. Gravity is a huge stressor on the body. So by being weightless, that takes a huge load off of you. That’s super helpful.
What else do I like to do? I like herbs, Wendy. You know I’m a big fan of herbs. I really enjoy adaptogenic herbs. I really think for women that even before menopause and especially after menopause, I think at every women could benefit from just a little bit of adaptogenic support just because – I mean, being a mom, that sounds stressful. I don’t know what it’s like, but it’s got to be stressful.
Childbirth, I’m sure that’s got to do something to your nutrient stores. You know it definitely puts a huge impact on the adrenal function of your own body. Post-partum depression, I guarantee part of that is from being so depleted. So in my experience, a little bit of adaptogenic support.
I like to use rhodiola. They call it the ‘golden root’. I really love rhodiola. It’s very safe. There’s not many contraindications with anything else. I love it!
When I was talking to you about me moving back to Kentucky here pretty recently, I was taking 500 mg. of rhodiola root every single day for like two to three weeks, my stress level, it was bizarre. I almost felt like what I had to go through wasn’t real because I didn’t feel it.
So basically, what I’m saying is on the calendar, I’m moving in – which I’m already here now, but I was moving in like a day or two and I didn’t feel it. I wasn’t anxious. I wasn’t tearing up my stomach like I thought the stress would do. I felt great!
So I’m a testimonial that this stuff works. It regulates your nervous system sort of behind the scenes where you’re not actively trying to change your response. You’re just working on balancing the nervous system out. I handled the situation much better than I would’ve if I didn’t have that adaptogenic support. So those are my top two favorite things.
Wendy Myers: I agree. I take Ashwagandha every night to go to sleep. It has been life-changing for me. I sleep better. I wake up really, really relaxed and rested and I just float through my day for the most part.
Evan Brand: And you look at the ocean a lot. I think that’s probably part of your medication as well.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, for sure. But I agree, I suggest to all my clients to try Ashwaganda. And just another supplement I really like, it’s called Adrenal Response by Innate Response. I have it in the Live to 110 Store. It has Ashwaganda and rhodiola and holy basil and just a handful of adaptogenic herbs that I thank are wonderful for people, for anyone trying to reduce stress or trying to sleep better, et cetera.
Evan Brand: Yeah, while we’re on the subject of supplements, the one that I mentioned earlier, the cool one supplement to help regulate cortisol is called Relora. Rolora is helpful for people that have both low cortisol and high cortisol.
So a lot of adaptogens are the same way – shisandra, it’s like a little berry. You can get organic shisandra organic powder. I put that in my matcha tea. I feel great after that. I highly recommend that.
But Relora is a Magnolia – I can’t pronounce the Latin name of it, but it’s a type of bark combined with another proprietary plant extract and it’s like a patented blend of these two plants. It’s called Relora and it’s helpful for women that are trying to lose weight because if you’re cortisol is high and then it’s low and then you’re just all over the place, this can really sooth out that whole process.
There’s a lot of great science that I put inside the book about specifically Relora and other supplements too. I’m kind of a geek when it comes to that. I have a huge supplement stash.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I do too. So where can they get Relora?
Evan Brand: Just on Amazon. So Now Foods, they make a great Relora. There’s also – I believe it’s Source Naturals. Now, it is a tablet for them, which I’m kind of against some of the binders and things like that. But I’ve still had good success with it. It just depends on the client whether I would use a capsule or a tablet. But if you can find a capsule version, I would go for that.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. And not all excipients are bad and not all the binders are bad. Some of them, they’re just kind of like a pressed pill and I think they dissolve really easily. I know in my Ashwaganda, it seems like a press pill. It dissolves easily.
Evan Brand: Yeah, I use the Organic India Ashwagandha. It must be organic if it’s in the brand. It’s 500 mg., so that’s what I take.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, that’s a good brand.
Evan Brand: But I still haven’t figured it out because there’s that potential there for people to have a nightshade allergy that they may not be able to tolerate Ashwagandha. For me, the last time I took it, I had a little bit of stomach issues, but it was hard to say whether it was traced to some food or some supplement.
So that would be something for people to kind of test and play with.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, that’s true. There are a lot of people with nightshade sensitivities. I have a handful of clients that have that and they can’t take Ashwaganda. But the other option is the Rhodiola. There’s lot of adaptogenic herbs that people can take.
Evan Brand: Yeah, I’m debating actually writing an entire book and program on adaptogens. I’m such a huge fan.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I am too. I’m a fan now. For a while, I was like, “I don’t like herbs” because herbs can have a lot of metals. They can have aluminum. They absorb a lot of nutrients from the soil, which is why they’re so nutritious, but they can absorb a lot of metals too.
But like many medications, many supplements, there’s always pros and cons to everything. But for me, I’ just edging more towards the fact that herbs can have far more benefits than negatives.
If you use an infrared sauna, hey, guess what? You’re going to get rid of any metals that you might have ingested in your diet or through your supplements.
Evan Brand: Yeah, that’s good. I changed the tide maybe for you because I think like one of the first episodes that we talked on my show, you were like, “Evan, you got to be careful with those herbs. Those heavy metals are going to get you.”
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I kind of changed my tune a little bit. Again, I just think every medication or supplement has its plusses and minuses and you just have to weight it for yourself if the benefit outweighs the cost. Everything has a cost, everything.
Evan Brand: Definitely! And for me, the benefits of you sleeping better if I were your practitioner, if all it takes for you is maybe the potential to get a small amount of something in, but yet you’re sleeping better and regulating your nervous system, that definitely sounds like a winning situation there. I would keep you on it.
Wendy Myers: For me, Ashwagandha was life-changing. I’m just such a happier person on it because I sleep better. When you sleep better, your whole life is better.
Evan Brand: Definitely!
Wendy Myers: So let’s talk a little bit about maybe some other supplements that you really like to help reduce stress and relax you.
Evan Brand: Oh man, we could geek out here, Wendy. I’m a big fan of things like passion flower or Valerian root. However, the chapter is called ‘Stress Busting 201’. That’s the last chapter. I kind of make the distinction and kind of categorized different supplements based off how they respond or how they act in the brain.
GABA, your calming neurotransmitter, basically the breaks of the brain – I mean, when people want to relax, you go drink a beer. You’re basically going to be boosting probably serotonin as well, but definitely, you’re going to be affecting that calm sense that’s sort of waves over you and people start chasing that. So things like passion flower and Valerian, they act on GABA receptors.
So they will relax you and they can be useful for acute anxiety and acute stress where you need to relax. However, I don’t recommend them long-term (and I make the distinction there) because it can down-regulate GABA. So just like if you were to take testosterone for too long, you’re going to down-regulate testosterone, your testicles are going to shrink and you’re going to be a little sissy boy.
So it’s the same thing with these supplements. You really need to make the distinction – and I do it for you, but make the distinction between what is called a GABA antagonist and what is just something that just naturally can help boost GABA levels. So those are two good ones that are short-term.
A long-term solution would be something called l-theanine, just the amino acid that we’ve talked about that’s in green tea. If you drink matcha tea, which is basically a whole baby green tea leaf, you have a lot more l-theanine, so you’re going to be significantly boosting your GABA, therefore calming your nervous system even more. And it does have a little caffeine, so you want that little boost, it’s balanced out by the theanine. So you get a nice, focused, but calm state of mind from theanine.
And then rhodiola. That’s one that is in there as well as a long-term solution. So there’s two of each.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I always thought it was just odd how after I drink green matcha tea, I would feel kind of stimulated. There’s a nice and stimulated buzz. But also, at the same time, very, very relax, in a calm state of mind. It’s a great combo.
Evan Brand: Oh, I love it! So basically, I’ll have a Keurig, which I’m still a little bit skeptical about the plastic and heating the plastic and all that, but whatever. I’ll basically pull out the little cup and I’ll just hit the tiny, little shot button for the hot water and I’ll just let the hot water go. I guess I could technically use a tea kettle, but I haven’t got situated in this new house yet.
So anyway, I’ll just do a little bit of that. I’ll do have a half teaspoon of organic matcha. You want to look for the ceremonial grade. It’s much higher quality and more theanine is in there. I do that. And then I do a half teaspoon of organic shisandra powder, which is also an adaptogen. You’ll put that in there.
And then if I’m feeling froggy, I’ll do a little half teaspoon of some raw honey.
Wendy Myers: What’s froggy?
Evan Brand: Froggy is just like, “Ooh, I want a little sweetness.”
Wendy Myers: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I’m froggy all the time. Yeah, I’m very froggy all day. I definitely identify with you talking about stimulating GABA using passion flower. I actually take GABA myself. I love Dave Asprey’s GABA Wave. I was having some issues with night-waking and what-not. I started taking the phenylated GABA that he has and just knocked that out. It was amazing!
Evan Brand: We do have to spend a couple of minutes here because phenyl GABA, a.k.a. phenibut, I have a lot of experience with this, Wendy. I had a friend who was taking – it’s great, it’s a great supplement because it’s a very double-edged sword. That phenyl GABA, when you add that phenyl group to the GABA molecule, it jumps right through the blood-brain barrier. If people aren’t watching this – you need to watch the video, so you can see me stroke my head. It sneaks right into your brain and that phenyl GABA has a potent effect and it severely down-regulates GABA very quickly.
So long story short, a friend was taking about 500 mg. of this phenyl GABA, which I think GABA Wave is somewhere around that dosage. He loved it! He had endurance, better sleep, better energy. It’s used and recommended a lot for social anxiety (if any of my clients have social anxiety), it’s something you can take and sort of mimics the effect of alcohol without the drunkenness. So you could take a little bit and go to a party. I’ve definitely done that myself and you feel great.
However, he went up from 500 mg. to a gram and then two grams and then three grams and four grams. And at this point, this guy has no natural GABA production. He’s having panic attacks without it, he can’t sleep without it. When he’s running out of his – we’ll call it phenibut, but phenyl GABA, when he’s running out of his supplement, he had to make sure that he UPS guy had another bottle in the mailbox the day that he ran out or he wasn’t going to sleep that night.
Wendy Myers: Oh, no.
Evan Brand: So very, very powerful. And in Russia, phenyl GABA or phenibut is actually a prescription only available through a physician and it’s typically for anxiety disorders or severe panic disorders. For us to have it in the U.S. as a vitamin still, I’m actually shocked it hasn’t been pulled from the shelves and got pulled behind the wall from a physician because it’s so powerful. But I have some in the other room, mind you.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I enjoy mine too.
Evan Brand: So be careful.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, GABA is my drug of choice for sure. But I agree with you, just like any supplement, you have to be very careful with it. Even though it makes you feel good, that doesn’t mean you can just use it without any limit.
I test my neurotransmitters. I do a test from Neuroscience to test my neurotransmitters. I was low. I didn’t take it until I found out that I was low in GABA, that I actually did need it. I’m going to do another test in a couple of months just to see if I’ve reached my GABA max before I continue with it.
But yeah, I agree with you that the phenylated GABA really, really works. That’s why it’s probably ideal to use that for a limited period of time. I have another GABA on my website. It’s called PharmaGABA. It’s not phenylated, but it’s another very, very good GABA that’s very helpful in improving your GABA levels.
But I think short amount of time usage can be really, really helpful for some people. It’s almost like Xanax.
Evan Brand: Yes.
Wendy Myers: People can become very, very addicted to Xanax and other benzodiazepines and those work on GABA. Those increase your GABA, but they deplete it as well. And so getting off of those is one of the worst addictions that there is. It’s horrible. Just like your friend, he kind of induced almost that benzodiazepine addiction where when he doesn’t take his GABA, he’s just toast.
Wendy Myers: So can you talk about how to maybe prevent that from happening?
Evan Brand: Yeah. Well, you just have to be careful. I would honestly not use anything. If you are going to specifically use phenyl GABA, GABA Wave, whatever it is, Phenibut, I have a big hundred gram thing of it and I just take a small pinch and just put it on my tongue. At first it tastes horrible, but eventually, you know the effects so you love the taste of it. It’s kind weird.
But anyway, I would just recommend people not use it more than once a week honestly, Wendy. I would like to say twice a week, but honestly, it’s a slippery, slippery slope and you snowball and you just love it so much so quickly that you’re just going to take, “Oh, just another little pinch… just another little pinch… just a capsule… just a capsule.” Before you know it, you’re having anxiety without it.
So that’s my recommendation. Stick to once a week of anywhere from I’d say 250 mg. to 500 mg. max just to give you a testimonial or a research study about how potent this stuff is.
Inside the Stress Solution, I talk about Phenibut and how there was one study where it documents a guy who had to be admitted to an addiction treatment center for specifically Phenibut. And how they had to get him off was to put him on Baclofen, which is a commonly prescribed muscle relaxer that also works on GABA receptors. So they had to take him from this over-the-counter vitamin, put him on a prescription, Baclofen and then wean him off of Baclofen to get him off of Phenibut because Phenibut is so powerful that the medical industry at this point to just no way to just specifically wean you off that. They literally had to convert him over.
And maybe it was easier to access the Baclofen, I don’t know. Either way, they had to convert this guy over. So that basically will be like the same thing. I mean, you have to switch over to Xanax and then wean yourself off of Xanax to become okay again.
So it’s very dangerous, one of the most dangerous supplements out there. However, it’s one of my favorite.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, that’s why it’s so dangerous.
Wendy Myers: Well, let’s talk a little bit about minerals that you can take to reduce stress and relax your body. That’s my favorite subject.
Evan Brand: Yeah, definitely. Magnesium is good, but you can sort of overdose on magnesium and throw off your other minerals, which I think I’ve done myself. I was doing magnesium lotions, magnesium oils, Epsom salt baths, float tanks. I was taking the Natural Calm, the magnesium citrate powder. I mean, it got to the point where you know if you’re going to the bathroom too much, it’s not normal, you need to back off.
Wendy Myers: Yeah.
Evan Brand: I personally had to back off magnesium just a little bit. Calcium and magnesium, I think you even turned me on to those as in a combo. I was always a fan of magnesium, but never calcium. Those have a really good 1-2 punch. But potassium can be helpful too. All of these different minerals can be really helpful.
Other minerals, I like zinc. I don’t particularly remember any anti-anxiety relief or anti-stress relief from zinc, but it’s just a really good support in general, about 10-15 mg. for men or women just to generally support your hormones. Especially for men that need testosterone, you require a lot of zinc. And if you’re going to be having sex, you’re going to be depleting some zinc there through semen, so you might as well give yourself a little boost and put it back in the tank.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. Yeah, you need zinc to make testosterone, absolutely.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Wendy Myers: And I’m a big fan of magnesium. Any mineral, you can get too much. Magnesium, lower sodium levels. So you have to be careful. It can affect your adrenals. It can reduce the effectiveness of your adrenal glands if you’re taking too much magnesium. You can get too much of a good thing.
Evan Brand: I guarantee I did that, Wendy because as much magnesium I was taking (I was probably taking a combined total of 1 g. or more per day), my stress response was reduced. I felt like my adrenal glands were sort of haywire. I was not responding to stress as well as I should have. So I’m sort of a walking test dummy here to make people understand that yeah, magnesium is cool, but you don’t need to apply it in ten different ways like I did.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, yeah. It’s one of those things. You have to balance your minerals. I think a lot of people, they don’t understand that. You have to take minerals that you need. You have to take a targeted nutrient therapy and to improve your body and reduce stress. And you have to take them in a balanced way as well. It can be hard to figure that out.
But you’re due for another hair test. I did a hair test on you.
Evan Brand: Yeah! I know…
Wendy Myers: We could do another one. We should get another one.
Evan Brand: I know, we’ll see what happens. What do you think will change with all I’ve been doing lately?
Wendy Myers: Well, hopefully – you know, your calcium was a little bit high. Join the club. A lot of people, they have adrenal fatigue and then their calcium levels go up and their copper levels go up in their body. So hopefully, your calcium and your magnesium had come down a little bit on the hair test .
Evan Brand: We have to do that. I’m excited!
Wendy Myers: Yeah, we’ll do another one, for sure.
Evan Brand: Sweet.
Wendy Myers: So what are some of your other tips that you like to reduce stress?
Evan Brand: Oh man, I could go on for hours. Honestly, just getting outside again, being outdoors, being in nature. This isn’t just a health coach disguised as a hippie telling you to get outside. There are studies where Japanese researchers are using a thing called a Shinrin-Yoku, also known as ‘forest bathing’ and this is essentially just getting outdoors and being in the forest. There’s a lot of aromatic compounds, sort of like essential oils where there are basically airborne chemicals, airborne molecules that the body recognizes that can create significant reductions in cortisol, but also, it can boost your NK killer cells too.
So by going out to the forest – and there’s documented research inside of Stress Solutions where there was one study in particular where Japanese researchers took 420 subjects and they took them out to 36 different forests in Japan. They took salivary cortisol levels and measured them. They had over a 50% reduction in cortisol and over a 23% boost in the immune system even after one month of going back to the city.
So if you just take one weekend with your kids or your husband, your spouse, whoever, one weekend – and Wendy, you’re at the ocean, so you’re getting plenty of negative ions and good stuff there. But for other people, if you can take a monthly trip to the woods or some sort of very immersive natural environment, you’re going to be basically giving yourself a dose of anti-cancer medication. That’s in the literature now. It’s one of the most powerful things that you can do for your health, getting outside of the buildings that are made with synthetic materials that are going to be off-gassing chemicals, carpets, synthetic leathers, new car smells. Get away from all that and get out in the trees. That’s one of the most profound things that I could tell people to do really.
Wendy Myers: Are you into earthing also, going out in nature barefoot?
Evan Brand: Yeah! I mean, not right now because it’s muddy and wet.
Wendy Myers: You could still go for it.
Evan Brand: If I didn’t already mop up this new kitchen floor so much, I would probably go out in the backyard and do it, but I’ve already been sweeping the little doggies’ paws off, cleaning up their paws. But yeah, I’m super into earthing and grounding yourself. I do have a grounding mat that I use sometimes. I was a little bit more diligent about using it, but it’s one of those little hacking tools that sometimes, I use it, sometimes I don’t.
Definitely, I like to climb trees. I don’t know why, but I like to climb trees. It’s a great exercise. It’s a really good skill to have, to be able to climb something and use your own body weight, manage your body weight.
So touching trees, touching nature, touching dirt, gardening, those are all good ways to earth yourself without just standing barefeet on the grass (but of course, that’s a good way too).
Wendy Myers: And can you talk a little bit about some of the tests that you can do to monitor your stress levels so that you can have a little guide as to all the stress reduction techniques you’re doing that are working?
Evan Brand: Yeah. So what you do is you turn on your bathroom light, you look at yourself in the mirror and you see how many gray hairs you have. The more gray hairs that pop up, the more stressed you are. That’s a pretty corny joke.
But in reality, you can do the adrenal stress index test. They call it the ASI. It’s a 24-hour salivary cortisol measurement where basically, I have a little tooth pick here. You take a little cotton swab, you put it on the inside here and take a little measurement in the morning, mid-day, evening and then at night.
And basically, you want your cortisol to be highest in the morning because that’s your go-go-go hormone. You want it to gradually slope down and you don’t want it to pop back up. That’s what happens. It pops back up for people and then they can’t sleep.
So you want it to gradually slope down – not quite like a very scary rollercoaster, but like a little kitty rollercoaster, so one that just kind of gently slopes down. And then you want your cortisol to be lowest at night.
So the ASI will measure that and it will just show whether there is any spikes, whether that could be caused from caffeine or blood sugar issues. If you’ve almost gotten in a car wreck or if you had to go into a meeting, even that could secret cortisol. And if you’re about to go into a meeting and you’re nervous and you measure it, that could probably show up there because you’re still going to respond to stress.
But generally speaking, you want it to be highest in the morning and kind of slope down at the night. So that’s one way to measure it.
Another way to measure it just to see how you feel when you wake up in the morning. If you don’t feel rested and recovered, you have bags under your eyes and things like that, there’s a good chance that you’re probably going through some sort of adrenal stress. That doesn’t mean you immediately need to jump on adrenoglandulars or anything like that – but I mean, I definitely support vitamin C. Vitamin C is stored in the adrenal glands. It’s like the gas tank of vitamin C in the body is in the adrenals. So if you want to just pop on a couple of grams of vitamin C complex (not just ascorbic acid, but some vitamin C complex), you can do that. You can do some of the adaptogens we talked about.
But you’ll know. If you’re stressed, you’ll know. You won’t recover well. You’ll be sore. If you are in an exercise routine and you’re sore for two, three, four days and it just doesn’t feel like your chest should still be that sore, that could be a sign that you’re not recovering and you’re stressed.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I like that you talked about how the cortisol levels can be high for various reasons. Another one is if you have food sensitivities. If you have a high reading, it kind of doesn’t look normal in your adrenal ASI test, it can be from food sensitivities. At night, if you have high cortisol levels at night, that can be a sign you have gut dysbiosis. You have gut bugs that need to be addressed.
So you can get a lot of information from an ASI test. I’m actually about to become an FDN, a functional diagnostic nutritionist and I offer these on my website right now. You can get an adrenal saliva test. And if you want an adrenal urine test. A urine test can give a lot of information about metabolites and your hormones and things. It can give you a little bit more information.
So if any of you guys listening want to do that, sign right up at the Live to 110 Store. I think it’s really, really important to see where your hormones are at, including your saliva and your melatonin, et cetera because you can correct these naturally. You can take DHEA and pregnenolone and progesterone and try to help balance your hormones naturally. You don’t need to do hormone replacement therapy, which is what you’re going to get if you go to even a naturopathic doctor. They’re automatically, for the most part, going to want to put you on replacement testosterone, estrogen and progesterone. It’s not the way to go.
Evan Brand: Yeah! It’s not even the answer. You can even further set yourself up and you can sort – I don’t know if I would say ‘accelerate’ your issue, I don’t know if that’s the right word, Wendy, but you can definitely sort of catapult yourself into more issues if you just immediately, “Oh, you have low testosterone? We’re going to throw you a testosterone cream” because then you start converting that over to DHT and DHT is basically the – they call it kind of like the ‘aromatized version’. You don’t want that stuff around. You don’t want that lingering around. That’s when you start increasing your risk for – I don’t know if it’s specifically prostrate cancer, but cancers in general. That’s where my specialty is not, but I definitely know that you don’t want to have too much of that stuff.
That’s not a blanket recommendation where somebody is just like, “Everybody has low testosterone. Let’s throw everybody on a cream.” That’s a horrible, horrible thing that I’ve seen so far.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, it’s very well-document in health studies that people that are on estrogen replacement therapy for women, even if it’s opposed with progesterone, it could lead to cancer. There’s a very, very high cancer rate for doing hormone replacement therapy.
I think it’s much more intelligent to do a program like Stress Solutions that you offer and do some adrenal cortisol testing. It takes two to three years or more to heal your adrenal glands. And that’s with a complete diet and lifestyle supplementation detox plan, complete plan to correct your adrenal glands. It is not easy in our stressful modern-day world.
So I think it’s a good idea to do adrenal cortisol testing and hormone testing and apply some intelligent allopathy with replacing some of these hormones or giving your body the precursors to the hormones like pregnenolone and DHEA just so that you get some symptom relief until you’re able to heal your adrenal glands because it takes so long.
I know I’ve been working on my adrenals forever and I still feel like, “When is this going to happen?” I’m definitely worlds apart from where I was, say, five years ago, just worlds different. But sometimes, I’m reaching for perfection. I’m aiming for perfection. I think I’m doing better than 95% of the people out there, but sometimes I just feel like, “How long is it going to take for me to have a really perfect adrenal cortisol test?”
Evan Brand: You make a great point. I would like to add that we’re not broken by default. Humans were not all broken by default. Certainly, you can be born disadvantaged – if your mother was extremely stressed out during pregnancy and things like that.
I mean, Wendy, we could do a whole other stress part two on this because something that was branching off here in my mind was that basically, it’s called the ‘pregnenolone steal’. Essentially, when you’re under stress, sex hormones are at the bottom.
Basically, you have all of the important stuff that gets made at the top of the food chain. All these hormones come from cholesterol, oh! So making sure you’re not on statins or that you’re working with a qualified practitioner to get off of the statin – I don’t know any safer way to say it – and making sure you’re getting your quality cholesterol, that way, you’re going to make all these hormones.
But if you’re under significant stress, your body is going to do all that it can to go down this pathway to make cortisol because you need to respond to a stressor. And so for you to have sex hormones, the DHEA and things like that –
DHEA is sort of the opposite hormone that’s kind of in a relationship with cortisol. You’re not going to have that. Now you’re not going to have testosterone. Now, you’re going to start getting man boobs, your libido is going to be impacted, women are going to start having issues, they’re not going to feel like having sex. It’s not just that you’ve got older and that your wife doesn’t like your beer belly. She may just be so stressed that she cannot make stress hormones so she has no libido.
So by fixing your stress, upstream, you’re going to be improving your sex life as well. Stress is a virus that spreads into every single aspect of your life and it can ruin marriages. So it’s really, really important. This isn’t just something to take lightly. This is one of the most important topics and one of the most important things I think you can do for your health and your happiness. I mean, who wants to try to be intimate with someone and you can’t because you don’t have the hormones necessary? Not me.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I like that you brought up the pregnenolone steal because when we are stressed out, the pregnenolone gets stolen to make cortisol and we need that pregnenolone to make testosterone and estrogen.
And so I think it’s a good idea if people have stress, they can take a little pregnenolone to help prime that pump, so to speak, because you have to train your body to stop using it for cortisol and using it for the hormones instead.
Evan Brand: Yeah. And a lot of people, especially men, they can benefit from just a small dose of DHEA as well because cortisol just gets so out of balance. Testosterone and estrogen are supposed to be in a balance and things like that; so is cortisol and DHEA. So if you’re super, super stressed, you can pumped up just a few five milligrams or so of DHEA and that can sort of help counteract some of the effects of cortisol being eating your muscles away, stressing you out, causing hair loss or whatever. There’s probably a thousand sound effects of messed up cortisol rhythms.
Wendy Myers: Well, why don’t you tell us a little bit more about your program, Stress Solution?
Evan Brand: Sure, yeah. I mean, they can check it out if they want to on my website. They can just visit NotJustPaleo.com and you’ll see it right there at the top in the menu bar. I believe it says ‘programs’ now or ‘products’. You’ll see it. And right there in the menu bar, you’ll have access to Stress Solutions.
So Wendy, you’re an expert. So Wendy is one of the experts that talked with me for about 30 minutes. If you think she geeks out on the podcast, she super geeks out and takes these professional products seriously. She’s on there.
I think we talked about for 30 to 35 minutes. And then there are three other experts – Dr. Justin, this guy, Dr. Greg Emerson and Dr. Tim Gerstmar. Those three guys are on there. And then there’s the 71-page guide that I wrote myself where all the citations are linked, the supplement protocols, some of the alternative therapies, more about float tanks, more about acupressure mats, dozens of things.
Literally, it’s kind of like I can make a 200-page book and make it seem like it’s a big deal, but that’s silly. I’m a no-fluff guy. So here it is, 71 pages of killer, no filler. There you go! It’s at the website.
Wendy Myers: Well, I commend you. It looks like an amazing program. I was really honored that you asked me to be a part of it. I definitely recommend to listeners out there, if you’re feeling stressed out and you’re waking up exhausted and you just can’t calm down, you’re having anxiety, depression, et cetera, maybe you should check it out. You have got to have a bunch of tools in your arsenal to reduce stress especially in our toxic, stressful modern life. You’ve got to start thinking about this every single day, “How do I reduce stress in my life?”
Evan Brand: Yeah. And so right now, people always want to know, “Well, what is this program? How much does it cost?” and all that. The price changes because I play with pricing because that’s what you do as a health entrepreneur. You play with pricing to see how it works. Right now, at the time of this recording, it’s $27. I mean, that’s over a hundred less than it cost to do a personal consult with you or I, Wendy except there’s probably six consults worth of advice built into that. So it’s $27, there you go, for now.
It may go up by the time you get to it. So I don’t know, you might want to go do it.
Wendy Myers: That’s not bad. That’s a really good deal.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Wendy Myers: Well, Evan, thank you so much for coming on the show. And tell the listeners where they can find you.
Evan Brand: Yeah, just check out my website, NotJustPaleo.com. You hear it. Paleo is cool, but it’s not everything. So it’s NotJustPaleo.com. Check out the podcast. All that stuff is there. My newsletter, I have – I think it’s four free guides. It’s probably getting a bit ridiculous over there, but you get four free guides now.
One is 29 pages in itself called ‘Calm Your System’ to where if you’re not ready to pick up the full program, you could get that just for free and learn how to take control of your nervous system today. So that’s one of many things over there.
Wendy Myers: Well Evan, again, thank you so much for coming on the show.
Evan Brand: Thank you, Wendy. You rock!
Wendy Myers: And listeners, if you want to learn all about detox and how to heal your health conditions naturally, go to myersdetox.com, learn all about Mineral Power at MineralPower.com. That’s my healing and detox program that I used to heal and recover my health and get my mojo back.
And go to my new online health program, BodyBioRehab.com where I talk about the five pillars of health. It’s a $49 where you can learn all about the right kind of diet that you should be eating, the right kind of supplements that you should be taking, basic supplements, how to exercise properly (and some really hilarious videos of me exercising) and how to reduce stress (I have a little module in there myself about reducing stress because it’s so important) and how to detox, how to detox properly, just stuff that you can do at home. So go check that out BodyBioRehab.com. I’m super excited about that.
Thank you so much for listening to the Live to 110 Podcast.
