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- 02:15 About Dr. William Walsh
- 14:26 Dr. Walsh’s Nutrient Power
- 17:55 Heavy Metals and Mental Illness
- 24:02 Methylation
- 31:39 Determining Methylation Status
- 47:50 Copper and Histamine Imbalance
- 50:32 Limiting Folate with Undermethylators
- 54:37 Overmethylators and Forms of Folic Acid
- 58:55 Patterns of Sociopathic Tendencies in Hair Mineral Analysis
- 69:32 The Most Pressing Health Issues in the World Today
- 73:33 Where to Find Dr. Walsh
Wendy Myers: Hello. Welcome to Live to 110 Podcast. My name is Wendy Myers and you can find me at myersdetox.com and you can find this video podcast on the corresponding YouTube channel at Wendy Live to 110.
Today, a little change of scenery here. We’re hosting the podcast in my home in Silver Lake. This is the backhouse of my property. I just thought I would use a little change of scenery to keep it interesting.
But today, we’re hosting Dr. William Walsh on the podcast. He’s the author of Nutrient Power who uses nutrients, hair mineral analysis and other means to overcome mental health issues. And I’ve been waiting months to get him on the podcast. I’m so excited to do the interview today. He’s so brilliant. I know you’re going to love today’s show.
Please keep in mind that this program is not intended to diagnose or treat any disease or health condition and is not a substitute for professional medical advice. Please keep in mind that this program is for informational purposes only. So please consult your health care practitioner before engaging in any treatment or protocol that we suggest today on the show.
Wendy Myers: I’m really, really thrilled. I have so many interesting projects going on, but my favorite one right now is I am launching my new supplement line called Bio Rehab. The flagship product is going to be called Liver Rehab Plus. It’s going to be a liver cleanse and detox formula that will be available on Amazon hopefully by the time this podcast airs. So keep a look out for that on Amazon. It’s Liver Rehab Plus by Bio Rehab, my new supplement line. I’m so thrilled to announce that.
I will have a whole line, a complete line of supplements. Eventually, an entire line that will help balance the imbalances on a hair mineral analysis. This has been a dream of mine for many years. So I’m thrilled that it’s finally come to fruition and will soon be available. I’ll be sure to keep you posted.
Wendy Myers: Our guest today is Dr. William Walsh, PhD. He’s the President of the nonprofit Walsh Research Institute and is an internationally recognized expert in the field of nutritional medicine and the key scientist paving the way for nutrition-based psychiatry and nutritional medicine.
Over the past 30 years, Dr. Walsh has developed biochemical treatments for patients diagnosed with behavioral disorders, attention deficit, hyperactivity disorder, autism, clinical depression, anxiety, bipolar disorders, schizophrenia and Alzheimer’s disease that are used by doctors throughout the world. His book, Nutrient Power: Heal Your Biochemistry and Heal Your Brain describes the evidence-based nutrient therapy system that he has developed.
Dr. Walsh’s noted accomplishments include groundbreaking studies reporting reduced violent behavior following nutrient therapy, the 1999 discovery of undermethylation and copper-zinc imbalances in autism, the 2000 finding of metallothionein protein depletion in autism, the 2007 published study at linking copper overload and postpartum depression, the identification of five biochemical subtypes of clinical depression and the 2011 Walsh Theory of Schizophrenia under the direction of the Beethoven Research Project that revealed that the composer suffered from severe lead poisoning. It’s very interesting to me being a piano player. Beethoven is one of my favorite composers.
In addition to Dr. Walsh’s ongoing research studies, he leads medical practitioner training programs in advance drug-free biochemical nutrient therapies in Australia, Ireland, Norway, the US and other countries. Dr. Walsh is a frequently invited guest lecturer giving more than 200 presentations at international conferences and symposiums including American Psychiatric Association, the US Senate and the National Institutes of Mental Health.
He has authored numerous peer-reviewed journal articles and scientific reports as well as been granted five patents. After earning degrees from Notre Dame and the University of Michigan, Dr. Walsh received a PhD in Chemical Engineering from Iowa State University.
While working at Argonne National Laboratory in 1970s, Dr. Walsh organized a prison volunteer program that led to studies of prisoners and ex-offenders researching the causes of their violent behavior. The collaboration with the late renowned Dr. Carl C. Pfeiffer, a pioneer in the field of nutritional research therapy, led Dr. Walsh to the development of individual and nutrient protocols to normalize body chemistry and brain chemistry.
Dr. Walsh went on to study more than 30,000 patients with mental disorders, acquiring an unparalleled database of more than three million chemical assays during his clinical and research work.
Dr. Walsh has connected chemical analysis in more than 25 serial killers and mass murderers including Charles Manson, Richard Speck, James Oliver Huberty, Patrick Sherrill and Arthur Shawcross. He has assisted medical examiners, coroners, the Scotland Yard and the FBI in these forensics studies. He has designed nutritional programs for Olympic athletes, NBA players, major league baseball players, heavyweight boxing champions, PGA golfers and many, many others.
That was the longest bio I have ever read. But I wanted to read all of it to exemplify to you all of this man’s extraordinary accomplishments. Dr. Walsh, thank you so much for coming on the show.
William Walsh: It’s my pleasure.
Wendy Myers: Why don’t you tell the listeners a little bit about yourself and how you got into methylation and hair mineral analysis and writing your book, Nutrient Power?
William Walsh: For me, it all started when I was working as a scientist in Argonne National Laboratory and I got involved as a prison volunteer. I found myself dealing with people who were on death row and people who are in penitentiary.
One of the [inaudible 00:06:31] at that time, I found myself I had to recruit over 125 volunteers who [inaudible 00:06:36] people do in prisons. And along the way, we started an ex-offender program and I got to meet the families that have produced the criminal.
That’s when my education really began because I always thought that people who were criminals were that way because of some flawed operating in their life experiences and I got to meeting occasional, just wonderful families who seemed to have done everything right and the other siblings and other children were just fine, outstanding citizens, and yet this one person who had done a really horrible thing or a number of crimes.
They’ve told me that this future criminal was different from the time he was about six or eight months old and that it happened so early and they were just very troubled by this child even though they seemed to do everything right.
So I began to ask what’s the real cause or real reason for behaviors. At that time, since I was at Argonne National Laboratory, I started diving into the literature of the science. That’s how I really started.
I started doing studies and beginning a lot of this hair analysis, by the way. I was studying hair, blood and urine from ex-convicts and prison residents.
At one point, Dr. Carl Pfeiffer, if you’re familiar who he is, the great man who was probably at that time back in the 1970s considered the world’s best or leading nutritional scientist and nutritional doctor. He is an MD PhD. When I first met him, he had just been nominated for a Nobel Prize, which he did not get. It turned out that Linus Pauling had nominated him.
Anyway, he got interested in my work and actually we collaborated for 12 years. I started sending him criminals. We would take a plane to Princeton, New Jersey and we would meet criminals who are fresh out of prison. We were getting ready to start studying their biochemistry. He started developing treatment programs. And then by 1988, we had done about 500 people together, 500 cases of violent people.
What we learned was that the criminals would get really better for about a year or two and then about five years later, we’ll find out they were back in the prison.
But we really looked at violent children, children who have the same chemistry, even the real super violent sociopathic kids. That seemed to be enduring for them. They would get better and they could sleep better. We think that it has a lot to do with – once they get into drugs and alcohol, it’s a lot harder to hold someone like that. And also, I think their self-image is ingrained after they’ve been acting like monsters for 15 or 20 years. So then our focus were bad children ever since.
Then while we were working with these kids, we found out that half of these kids also had attention deficit and had academic problems. And lo and behold, not only that the behavior improved, but their academics improved.
So along the way, Carl Pfeiffer during one of my visits said to me two or three times, “You know what, Will? What we really need is an outpatient clinic in the mid west for behavior [inaudible 00:10:01].” So I found a non for profit public charity and we opened a clinic. We called it the Pfeiffer Treatment Center. We named it after Carl Pfeiffer because he died just before we opened it. He was actually going to be our doctor for the first six months. He was going to do the actual treatment programs in the beginning, but he died of a heart attack just before that.
That’s how I got started. One thing led to another. And here it is many years later. And the clinic I worked with, we saw eventually 3000 patients. I think I have the world’s biggest chemistry database certainly for autism. I think I’ve seen as many autistics as anybody in the world, about 6500 cases. I’ve seen more than 3000 cases of schizophrenia, 10,000 cases of behaviors. That’s the largest people have seen.
Anyway, applying the science after Pfeiffer died and after Abram Hoffer diet (another person we were fairly close to), we started developing our own advance therapies. I did what I think Pfeiffer and Hoffer would have done if they were still alive. So I’ve done quite a bit of research. I’ve worked on some NIH programs, a number of university studies.
In fact, right now, I’m just starting a schizophrenia study. We’re looking at DNA methylation in the epigenetics of the schizophrenics. And for the first time, we’re going to be looking at the different types of schizophrenia. So there have been a lot of studies on just schizophrenia, but it turns out that schizophrenia is not a single disease. It’s the name given to at least three major different types of schizophrenia.
We’ve also found there are more than five types of depression. Even the mainstream medicine tends to treat all these depressed people as having low serotonin activity. And almost anywhere in the world, if you’re depressed, your neuropsychiatrist will start you on SSRI antidepressants. But there are five completely different types of depression.
I reported that about 14 months ago at the annual meeting of the American Psychiatric Association where we’re meeting 17,000 psychiatrists all over the world in one building. Anyway, that went really well. A number of the psychiatrists there followed me on the hall and actually went to our physician training programs.
Well, the Pfeiffer Treatment Center no longer exists. It’s a long story, but about 17 years ago, I found the Walsh Research Institute, another not for profit public charity and we have three major activities.
Number one, we have international physician training program. We train doctors throughout the world. A lot of us have been in Australia. I’ve seen lots of people in Southeast Asia. In the last I think 15 months, we’ve trained 95 doctors in the USA. We’ve just begun – that’s one of our more recent program, [inaudible 00:13:21]. We’re thinking to double that in the last program that we do. We’ve been training doctors in Norway, we’ve been in Ireland. Anyway, there are a lot of countries, so we’ve got a lot of work to do.
That’s part of what we do and we do research. I’m constantly asking the question, “What is the cause of autism?” What is the cause of hyperactivity disorder? What’s going on in the brain? And I guess I’ve become a brain scientist. Nearly for the last 10 or 15 years, I’ve just focused on neurotransmitters, how they function, what can go wrong and what kind of treatment to help these people. So that’s where I am now. I’d say I spend about 40% of my time on research and then the rest is for training doctors.
And then the other thing we do is we, as a charity is, provide information for the public. So we try to educate people on nutrition and nutrient therapies.
Wendy Myers: I read your book, Nutrient Power and it really was just a fantastic book. Can you tell us in layman terms what your book is about?
William Walsh: I spent a lot of time trying to decide what the title would be. And I finally decided that the message I wanted to get across if there was any message at all is nutrient power, that nutrients can be powerful.
I’m working with a lot of doctors who would call and say, “I’ve got this patient I am working with. They’ve gone to your clinic and now they’re better. Can you tell me what you did?” And then, when I explained to them, I will talk originally about the chemical imbalances in both blood and urine testing. Eventually, they would say, “Well, what was your treatment? What did you do?” and the answer is, “Well, the weapons we used are nutrients, amino acids, vitamins and minerals.”
What a lot of them would say is “Well, that couldn’t possibly work. You couldn’t possibly help a schizophrenic or an autistic or a suicidal patient with nutrients. Don’t you really need a powerful drug to get the job done?”
The answer is no.
So in my book, which is called Nutrient Power, I wanted to get the message across that yes, nutrients can have a lot of power and they have power in four major areas.
Number one, the question you might say is “Where do our neurotransmitters come from? Where do we get serotonin? Where do we get dopamine or norepinephrine?” Well, most of these key neurotransmitters are made in the brain. The neurotransmitters are made in the brain. We know exactly how they’re made and the materials and the ingredients are amino acids, vitamins and minerals.
So if a person is born with some kind of an abnormal level, either too little or too much of a key nutrient we need to make serotonin, for example, then you can expect a problem with your brain function.
Then we have this science called epigenetics. Epigenetics has a lot to do with brain function and has lots of reuptakes of neurotransmitters. This has all been revealed really in the last five or six years. And now, we can use something in nutrient therapy that we couldn’t do until the last five years. For the first time, we have a way to change and regulate enzymes. Nobody ever did that before. And the enzymes very often are the most critical part of our mental problem.
For example, we now know which nutrients are serotonin reuptake inhibitors. It can’t be used either together with an SSRI anti-depressant or maybe alone, wihtout it. We also know that oxidative stress and oxidative overload is heard in virtually every mental illness we’ve ever seen.
And so, nutrients can have great power in alleviating that. If you’ve got a problem with oxidative load, you’re going to have a problem with GABBA, problem with NMDA neuro-receptor that is so important in severe mental illness.
So nutrients have great power. I did my best in the book to make that clear. I wrote the book really for not only both the professionals and scientists, but also the general public. And we got a very good response from it.
Wendy Myers: Do heavy metals have a play a role in mental illness? I know that they do, but I wonder what your take is on that.
William Walsh: Heavy metals can be very damaging, especially mercury, lead and cadmium. Those three that I think are the most damaging that we tend to see most commonly. There are hundreds of thousands of schizophrenics in the United States who simply have toxic metals as their problem.
The problem is that some people are vulnerable to toxic metals and others are not. Most people have a wonderful set of natural antioxidant chemicals like glutathione, metallothionein, selenium, on and on. And if the person is completely healthy and normal, it doesn’t have mutations, certain mutations in these things and these enzymes and these chemicals that protect us – well, there are some people that are really vulnerable.
For example, autistic kids are extraordinarily vulnerable. I tested, as I’ve said, more than 6000 of them and [inaudible 00:19:05] is that he’s got great difficulty with antioxidant protection. They’re just overloaded. I think that’s probably what triggered (more than anything else that triggered) the disease in the first place. So yeah, toxic chemicals can be very damaging.
Now, if we have a proper, healthy system, let’s say you have lunch with a large portion of tuna or something with mercury in it, then that mercury that you ingested, about 90% of it is supposed to be stopped by your intestinal barrier. And it’s really the metallothionein protein and the glutathione, that really is the barrier for.
So, about 10% [inaudible 00:19:52] your liver. And then the liver, again, metallothionein and glutathione and other natural antioxidants, probably have taken the other 95% of it and disable it. And then, a little tiny bit (maybe a percent) that is still circulating in your blood might try to access the brain. Well, it has to pass the blood-brain barrier. And again, you have these antioxidant protectors.
So the average person can actually get quite a bit of mercury in their system and would be fine. But some people (for example, autistic children) who are very vulnerable don’t have those protections. A little bit of mercury can cause this and this. So it depends on the individual. Some people are dramatically sensitive and others are not.
The very first study I did experimentally back when I was back at Argonne National Laboratory, I did a sibling study of violent children. I found 24 families that have a very violent assaulter young man and in the same family, the All-American boy, the child who has this great behavior and good academics.
And when we studied the lab results, the first thing we saw was even though they’re living in the same environment, living in the same area, they have the same general bio, they even went to the same school, the violent kids had much, much higher levels of lead and cadmium, about three or four times. That’s across 2400 different families, 2400 homes.
That was probably the very first thing we found with experimental work. What that illustrates is that some people are very vulnerable to toxic chemicals and others can sail through it.
Wendy Myers: Don’t criminals typically have a higher level of manganese as well?
William Walsh: Not really. That was reported because of somebody who interpreted my data improperly. It’s kind of a long story, but what happened was I was challenged by the University of California, Irvine Department of Psychiatry. There was a wealthy oilman that was going to donate money for a research in this area. They said, “Well, don’t do that. It’s got to be a scam or it doesn’t work.”
So we put together an experiment or in this case, they sent me something like 200 hair samples. They’re all coded. They challenged me based on the chemistry to tell them which ones were the criminals and which ones were not. I succeeded at about 95% accuracy.
They then got this data. Well, I gave them all the data. And what happened was they had a guy – in fact, he’s a famous researcher. I won’t mention his name. But they sent him to the prison and they started taking hair samples from these desperados. I told him he had to use stainless steel scissors to avoid any contamination. He had his big scissors. After he took the first few samples, he got [inaudible 00:22:55] and he said he wasn’t going to do it anymore. [Inaudible 00:22:58] with the scissors.
So he went downtown and bought a razor. He bought a shaver. The shavers have a soft wheel and a hard wheel and there’s manganese in the shaver. And so, some of the samples, I had to throw out because they have little needles of iron and manganese in them.
But when these other people in California got the data, they found, “Wow! Manganese is very high on these people.” I tried to explain to them. “No, it’s not true.” We’ve done a number of peer-reviewed journal articles about manganese. That’s not true.
Wendy Myers: Thank you for clearing that up.
William Walsh: It’s a long, long explanation. Sorry. But no, I don’t think manganese is quite that important. Well, manganese is an important nutrient and manganese actually lowers dopamine activity. So if a person had too much manganese, they may have a problem with low dopamine.
Wendy Myers: Okay. That’s very interesting.
Wendy Myers: So, let’s talk about your main game methylation. What exactly is overmethylation and undermethylation?
William Walsh: Okay. Methylation is a very important biochemical factor in the body. I evaluated 30,000 patients with respect to methylation going back 30 years. And really, I [inaudible 00:24:25] histamine abnormalities. But really, it was methylation.
Methyl has an extraordinary importance in human beings. And probably the most important aspect of it is actually epigenetics, which is gene regulation.
When the tiny fetus is formed and begins to develop, during the first couple of months, as this whole tiny baby develops two arms and all the different organs, it differentiates, there’s a problem because every part of your body needs different chemicals. And of course, some of the important ones are these genetically expressed chemicals.
We’ve got about 23,000 genes in our body, in our DNA. And every gene has only got one job and that’s to make a protein, which would be different proteins in your liver and your skin and different things.
What happens is almost magical. During early development, methyl attaches to certain parts of the DNA and basically shuts off the unwanted chemicals. So every part of your body, if everything goes well, will have the right mix of chemicals coming into the perfect parts of the body. It’s all done with methylation.
So, if a person is undermethylated or overmethylated, if they got too little or too much methyl in that in utero environment, then these are the people who are going to have major problems. We know that if a person is folate deficient, the incidence of spina bifida is far higher.
We also recently found out, based on work by Jill James and others, that the same is true with autism. If a woman was in an undermethylated environment and if this person needs folate to normalize methyl, then that greatly enhances the likelihood of autism.
We now know that virtually all autistics are undermethylated. I was the one who discovered that. I discovered that in 1999. I first revealed that to [inaudible 00:26:52]. I think they had 75 researchers and clinicians around the world at this meeting. He heard that I had more data and I had seen more autistics than anybody, so he asked me to come in and tell them what I found them.
I told them they all got metabolism disorder, a dysfunction [inaudible 00:27:13]. Well, we all knew that. We all knew that. I mentioned that they all have extraordinary oxidative stress, but hey already knew that. I mentioned that they’re really high in mercury or cadmium. They knew that. Then I told them that more than 95% of them were undermethylated and they all said, “What?” We’ve really connected methylation with autism and really with other mental disorders.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. I read that on Dr. Mensah’s website who I also interviewed on the podcast. He’s your colleague. I read that women who are undermethylators have a higher incidence of children born with autism.
My heart sank because my daughter developed autism. I’m an undermethylator. I discovered it around three years of age. But fortunately, I was able to heal her and reverse her autism using nutrient therapy guided by hair mineral analysis. And she’s completely normal today. All of her testing is normal.
William Walsh: [Inaudible 00:28:14].
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I know.
William Walsh: Early intervention is everything.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, early intervention is key. I was very, very fortunate to finally wake up that something wasn’t correct. But definitely injecting her with vaccines that contain aluminum, which is a neurotoxin, I think was the straw that broke the camel’s back that pushed her into this child that’s not able to methylate properly and detox, pushed her over the edge finally into autism. I’m getting that diagnosis.
William Walsh: Typically, some of the major behavior disorders involve methylation abnormalities. For example, we’ve tested people like Charles Manson and famous criminals and again 10,000 behavior disorder people. A high percentage of them have methylation imbalances. In most cases, if they are oppositional and defiant and strong-willed, they’re usually undermethylated.
And then, it has a major effect after they’re born. It’s just not the way these methyl bookmarks that regulate the genes. It also has an effect on the [inaudible 00:29:19]. There are nutrient therapies that can do a nice job of improving methylation.
Another thing is that since methyl now has a lot to do with gene expression, it has a lot to do with neurotransmitter reuptake. That’s the part that confuses the most people.
We know that folic acid, all these other kinds of folate, whether it’s [inaudible 00:29:48] methylfolate or folic acid – we know that folic acid + B12 is absolutely the best way to improve methylation of an undermethylated person. We know that. And that’s the recipe for the standard treatment for undermethylation.
However, there’s one exception. There’s one group that gets worse and those are undermethylated people who have low activity at serotonin receptors. So, these low serotonin and undermethylated people, if you give them folates, they’ll get worse. We’ve seen that more than a thousand times.
It’s counterintuitive. What happens is if you give them the folates, any of these types, regardless of what form or whatever, they will usually get dramatically worse. And the reason is epigenetics. What happens if you give them folic acid is folic acid strips methyl off of [inaudible 00:30:50]. It actually takes the methyl away.
In other words, if you’re an undermethylated person, if they HAVE suicidal depression and they’re undermethylated and maybe they’re on Prozac or Paxil, if you give them folates, what happens is their methylation will get better and the patient will get worse. That’s the exception to the rule.
In autism fortunately, very few autistics have serotonin issue. And so A folate methyl B12 therapy works beautifully for most of them. Occasionally, there are really nasty responses from it and those are the autistic kids who were headed for depression.
Wendy Myers: So how do you determine your methylation status? What is the gold standard for determining your status?
William Walsh: I don’t know if it’s the gold standard, but it’s what we do. There are two lab tests that are quite good. One of them is the SAMe SAH status. For the last eight or nine years now, it was a commercial test that can measure s-adenosyl methionine, which we call SAMe. That is basically activated methionine. All of our methyl comes from protein, specifically the methionine protein. It becomes SAMe in this complicated long part of a cycle where nutritionists are always studying [inaudible 00:32:21]. They are trying to understand it.
What happens is that the way to improve methylation is not as important as the reuptake. There are a lot of nutritional [inaudible 00:32:41], 23andMe and maybe genetic studies and they say, “Hey! We’ve got an MTHFR T677T homozygous or heterozygous. We’ve got these SNPs and these weaknesses.” So they can prove them that the patient is undermethylated and they want to throw methylfolate at them and maybe methyl B12.
Well, they may not be undermethylated. The reason is that there are SNPs and mutations that can cause overmethylation. And really, there’s a tug of war between the SNPs that attempt to lower methylation or the MTHFR or methionine synthase and a few others and those that attempt to enhance methylation with AGAT and there’s a few of them.
The problem is that you cannot decisively determine the methyl status with a genetic test. Not yet. I think eventually we will be able to, but not yet. Most people who are trying to do this are only looking for undermethylation and are not aware that so many people are overmethylated.
As far as my data set (and I have this huge database) on millions of millions of blood and urine studies, about 23% of Americans are undermethylated and about 8% are overmethylated. And in terms of mental health, mental illness, 70% of all people with depression have a methylation disorder. Most, I’d say, goes up. Probably it’s 3:1 undermethylation versus overmethylation.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I understand. I suffered depression my entire 20s. It’s only when I began doing nutrient therapy that I was able to kick it finally.
William Walsh: Yeah. One of the keys is biochemical individuality. So we’ve developed a couple of things. Over the years, we eventually learned some important things.
For example, with respect to the brain and mental health, even though there are hundreds and hundreds of nutrient factors that are really important in the body, there are only about five or six or seven that [inaudible 00:35:00] mental health. Those are the very nutrients that are either directly involved in the synthesis of a neurotransmitter or a regulation of a neurotransmitter.
Unfortunately, we don’t need to do chemical studies or lab studies looking for a hundred different chemicals. We have a nice protocol that focuses on the six or seven most important ones. And we know that if we find imbalances of them and we correct them, most of our patients are going to get better.
Wendy Myers: Yeah, I was surprised. I’ve had a few of my clients that try your protocol and I was surprised by how few nutrients you do use in your protocols.
William Walsh: Yeah. Sometimes, there’s only one imbalance. For example, we’ve studied more than 700 cases of postpartum depression and we find that well over 95% of them had a single imbalance and it is unregulated extraordinarily high copper levels. They don’t have the ability to homeostatically regulate copper.
And the way that it supposed to be regulated as with metallothionein, which is a genetically expressed enzyme. But that could have SNPs and mutations. That can be [inaudible 00:36:19] MTHFR.
So there are those people. What happens when a woman gets pregnant is that not only does estrogen shoot up, but their copper level more than doubles. A typical woman before her pregnancy will have a level of 100 micrograms per deciliter copper in their blood. And by the time, the pregnancy is completed, it will be over 220. That’s the average and the little baby needs that for growth. It’s needed for angiogenesis, for rapid development of new blood vessels, which of course is what a growing fetus needs.
The problem is with these women, maybe they [inaudible 00:36:59] and never had depression and they get pregnant. And then, as soon as the baby is born, they might have severe depression and in many cases postpartum psychosis. We’ve seen a lot of both cases.
And what we’ve learned and what we’ve published in a peer-reviewed journal is that it generally is related to copper. The reason is that we now know that we get the synthesis of norepinephrine (one of the most important neurotransmitters), it all comes from dopamine. This whole reaction happens in your brain. In the reaction of dopamine transforming into norepinephrine, this enzyme is important, but the major co-factor is copper, divalent copper, copper++.
There had been animal studies showing that if you starve an animal of copper, so now we only have 25% of the normal amount of copper in the blood, the ratio of norepinephrine and dopamine can vary by a factor of three or a factor of four gigantic differences. So these people who tend to have lower dopamine, which is the “feel good” neurotransmitter, they tend to have extraordinarily high norepinephrine and adrenaline and that’s a recipe for anxiety and depression. So that’s an example.
Wendy Myers: And you test for histamine as well to determine methylation status, correct?
William Walsh: Yes, we do. We’ve been using histamine analysis really for 35 years. The reason is that histamine and methylation are inverse, histamine and cells in your brain. Your histamine is regulated by methylation. So if a person is really high in histamine, it’s associated with undermethylation. There’s a nice, general relationship that is really very good.
This is not a perfect analysis because you have to take into account any medications that the person might be taking that might lower histamine levels in blood. But the really good news is that after we did this for thousands of thousands of thousands of patients and doing medical history, we’ve learned that there are symptoms and traits associated with undermethylation and overmethylation. So after we do a medical history of our patient, maybe we look at them for an hour and ask them all the right questions, we can predict their lab results with about 95% accuracy.
For example, 75% of all undermethylated people have seasonal allergies whereas 25% don’t have. Overmethylated people are the opposite. Very few of them, maybe about 5% or 10%, have seasonal allergies, but they are prone to food and chemical sensitivities. So that’s one example.
People who are undermethylated (as I suspect you might be) are people who [inaudible 00:40:20]. These are people who have a strong will and they tend to be perfectionist. They don’t give up and they’re competitive. We’ve learned that most of the great athletes in the world are undermethylated. Most of the doctors are undermethylated. Most CEOs are undermethylated. They just have a natural inborn drive to be very good at what they care about.
Overmethylated people are the opposite. Overmethylated people are some of the nicest people in the world. If you wanted to have the perfect neighbor next door, you’d love to have an overmethylated person. Yes, they have problems with anxiety and depression, especially anxiety, but they seem to care more. They have more empathy with other people. A lot of them become nurses or become volunteers and they’re not competitive. And people who are undermethylated tend to be competitive.
So I just showed you three or four examples, but there are actually over 30 different traits associated with undermethylation and maybe 125 for overmethylation. So that’s a combination of the knowledge of the patient and then the blood testing. That’s how we diagnose methylation.
Wendy Myers: I think that’s the way to go, to look at their symptoms and their health conditions and form an assessment, then use blood testing or hair mineral analysis to just support that assumption that you have.
William Walsh: And we’ve done probably 10 times as many methylation evaluations as anybody else in the world. We’ve evaluated 30,000 people, so we’ve got to really know. And it’s really important to know the complication and the confusion.
Some people think that there’s a disagreement between myself and other [inaudible 00:42:09], but there really isn’t. It’s just that when it comes to mental illness, if a person has a neurotransmitter problem, we use the folate. Folate happens to have a powerful epigenetic effect on neurotransmitter reuptake.
We used to think that the most important thing in depression, for example, was how much serotonin a person had. And so, we’d have him taking tryptophan or other nutrients that will enhance that. B6 is another. And even the pharmaceutical industry in the beginning was focused for about 15 years on finding ways to increase serotonin inhibitor. For example, they developed MAO inhibitors. That’s a class of antidepressants. And what they do is they simply increase the amount of serotonin. MAO was a chemical that [inaudible 00:43:03]. So they had this drug developed as an inhibitor that will increase serotonin levels.
In the mid 1980s, the pharmaceutical industry and university researchers learned that that’s not the most important thing. The important thing is not how much serotonin you’ve got, but the serotonin reuptake. The [inaudible 00:43:27] the speed of which it returns to the original cell. That’s what reuptake is.
Well, the [inaudible 00:43:38] the way and the mechanism for coming back into the cells are these proteins, these transport proteins and they’re genetically expressed. That’s when they developed Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Serzone and the whole graph of SSRIs. What do they do? They quickly go into the brain and they disable those transport proteins, which inhibits the uptake. So they’re serotonin reuptake inhibitors, a word that we not know that we’re finding in SAMe. They’re serotonin reuptake inhibitors.
Normally, with an undermethylated person, you wouldn’t really want to give them SAMe and methionine [inaudible 00:44:22]. You would want to go with a folate and B12. But if you’ve got a low serotonin person who may be depressed, it’s counter indicative just for that small group.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. I have a lot of clients in various countries that can’t do histamine tests.
William Walsh: They can’t do what?
Wendy Myers: They can’t do histamine tests. The labs don’t have them or they don’t do that test and what-have-you, the whole blood histamine. Can you look at the absolute basophil count, which is found on a CBC to determine methylation? Is that a marker of methylation?
William Walsh: It is, but it has to be a special absolute basophils test. Carl Pfeiffer and his chemist expert, Dr. Sohler developed a basophil test that was just about as good as whole blood histamine, but it required a special procedure and involves something called Alcian Blue Dye, which is not what Lab Corp requested on their labs use.
It’s an inexpensive and a good assay and I wish that there were labs to do that because that would be nice to – in fact, when Pfeiffer used to do it, aside from doing a whole blood histamine, he would also do a basophil analysis. And you need to have two different readings for the same thing to determine whether a person would do methionine or would be better on [inaudible 00:45:50].
One thing we learned is that methyl and folate have opposite effects on methyl. And the methyl and folate ratio is really important. I first reported that at the American Psychiatric Associations – would you believe in 1994? It is very clear even though [inaudible 00:46:12] cycle you would think that methyl and folate are – you would think the one would support the other, but not with respect to neurotransmission. That’s the difference.
Wendy Myers: Yeah.
William Walsh: [inaudible 00:46:23].
Wendy Myers: Yeah. So say you have a whole blood histamine that’s just outside the normal range of say 75 and then treat per your protocol, will it correct to a functional level? Or does one have to supplement around the issue for life?
William Walsh: I just want to say that if you find somebody with zinc deficiency and we treat them, their zinc will become well. Their blood level will become normal. If they’re copper overloaded, they will become normal. If they have Pyrrole disorder, that will become normal.
Methylation, histamine does not become normal. It’s a marker that identifies a person’s methylation status. It’s not a measure of how well you are.
For example, we’ve had people with histamine levels the size of 150 who went on to have suicidal depression and we treated them with our methylation therapy, our nutrient therapy and they became completely well and can throw away their antidepressants. And yet their histamine level is still over 100. So it’s not a measure of how well you’re doing.
Once you do a histamine assay twice, say we tested 75 the first time and maybe 82 the second time, then there’s no need for another testing again. You’ve got the diagnosis and it’s not a measure of how you’re doing. So [inaudible 00:47:46] with the right nutrient therapy.
Wendy Myers: Okay.
Wendy Myers: Copper levels are known to lower histamine. I know you’ve factored…
William Walsh: What did you say? I’m sorry, I didn’t hear you.
Wendy Myers: Copper levels are known to lower histamine. So say someone has a whole blood histamine of 30, but is also copper toxic, does that mean that…
William Walsh: The combination of copper and histamine imbalances is really interesting. That’s probably a major recipe for paranoid schizophrenia. Half of all schizophrenics are called paranoid schizophrenics and they have auditory hallucinations and paranoia when they’re in trouble.
Very often, we see a combination of overmethylation together with high copper levels. The reason is that overmethylation is associated with really high norepinephrine and the copper is elevated. So you’ve got two different chemical imbalances that can cause this dramatic difference. And GABA and norepinephrine are related. And so is the NMDA neurotransmitter system. This really messes all of that up.
Now, I would say about 80% of underrmethylated people like you and me (I’m also overmethylated), we tend to be below normal on copper, below normal on copper and serum copper. Occasionally, we find someone who is really high in copper who is undermethylated and we need to address that. And that’s why it’s good to be [inaudible 00:49:29].
But of course, you can’t really tell a person’s methylation by looking at their copper levels. There are too many exceptions.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. Can’t copper artificially lower the histamine level and make someone look perhaps like they’re more of an undermethylator? And when you start to correct the copper toxicity, then perhaps their histamine level can begin to go up. Is that why you need to retest to factor in any copper detox that may be happening that’s pushing down that histamine level?
William Walsh: Not really. Actually, copper does not have a massive effect on histamine. It doesn’t have a major effect. So that’s not an issue.
Wendy Myers: Okay.
William Walsh: The real issue are if the person is taking Benadryl or antihistamines or even synthetic medications that might have antihistamine capabilities. That can really affect your ability to use blood histamine as a marker.
Wendy Myers: Okay.
William Walsh: And copper is not a big issue with that.
Wendy Myers: Okay. You mentioned that undermethylators are suggested to eat limited folate. Does this apply to supplements or does it also apply to vegetables as well?
William Walsh: I have to say that’s not true of most undermethylators. It’s only true of undermethylators who have a brain chemistry problem. And that’s a very small percentage. Eighty or ninety percent of undermethylated people thrive on folic acid. They thrive on vegetables. They do. But ifthey have a tendency for low serotonin activity, they need to be careful.
Wendy Myers: So then I need to be careful about eating the green leafy vegetables.
William Walsh: Yeah, because they’re loaded with folate and folate has this powerful effect epigentically that affects reuptake, affects serotonin and dopamine reuptake.
Wendy Myers: Yeah.
William Walsh: Folic acid and all folates are wonderful serotonin reuptake promoters. They really enhance reuptake, but that’s the last thing that a depressed person wants if they have low serotonin depression.
Wendy Myers: Yeah.
William Walsh: We do folic acid as the prime therapy for people who have a mental problem, but are overmethylated. It sounds counterintuitive, doesn’t it? That’s the folic acid. So what happens for them is their methylation gets a little bit worse, but their brain [inaudible 00:52:00].
It’s a bit counterintuitive. It’s hard for people to get their arms around, but we have an advantage over everybody else. We know the right answers. And the answer we know the right answer is we’ve worked with thousands and thousands of thousands of cases of overmethylation and undermethylation for mental health and we know what helps them and what doesn’t.
If we are just to logically work at all the biochemistry, I don’t think we could be confident about what would be good for a person. We have this unfair advantage of knowing what helps and what doesn’t help.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. Is your recommendation to avoid folate for undermethylators with mental health issues or fairly severe mental health issues only temporary until their symptoms improve?
William Walsh: Everybody needs folate at some level. The ideal would be to be normalized in folate. They have this normal, typical, healthy level. I think it’s true of all nutrients.
In fact, all of our therapy, all of our treatment programs for everybody, we don’t have a treatment for depression. We don’t have a treatment for schizophrenia. What we do is we’ll take people who have a problem and we’ll study and try to identify what the imbalances they have that are likely to affect the brain function.
So what we do is we have a treatment for zinc deficiency. We have a treatment undermethylation, for these people. We have a treatment for Pyrrole disorder. But it’s all individual.
So, I think the key is to find out what a person’s biochemical individuality [inaudible 00:53:45] precision, normalize their levels. We don’t believe in giving massive doses of vitamins and minerals to people. We don’t believe in multiple vitamins because one of the surprises that we’ve learned early was that inborn, innate tendency for nutrient overloads can cause more nutritional deficiencies.
And people tend to think about deficiencies and there are a lot of nutritionists who simply try to [inaudible 00:54:20]. Their question is “What nutrients do they need?” Well, in some cases, the question is “What nutrients do they need to reduce?” That was a big surprise to me when we started. I had no idea that that is the case, but I learned that that was true.
Wendy Myers: So for overmethylators, why do you prefer folic acid over folinic acid?
William Walsh: I don’t. The folinic acid works a little better and I think the methylfolate works best of all.
Wendy Myers: Okay.
William Walsh: But folinic acid and methylfolate, also known as Deplin, they are somewhat better, but they’re not as much better as people think. The reason is they are what I call suicidal nutrients. The reason is these methylation cycles are constantly spinning and spinning and spinning. There are more than a million methylation reactions for every second. So it’s [inaudible 00:55:14].
And the first time that methylfolate or folinic acid reacts, it loses its identity. It becomes [inaudible 00:55:26] and part of the problem. So again, I call it a “suicidal nutrient.” I’m not saying it’s bad. If a person has 677 homozygous, it might significantly help them compared to other forms of folic acid or folates.
All of folates have the same impact. They all become THF and they all have the same epigenetic negative effect on serotonin reuptake.
Wendy Myers: Okay. So what do you think if you have an expressing MTHFR and are an overmethylator since MTHFRs are told to avoid folic acid?
William Walsh: Well, my focus is not on physical health. It’s on mental health. So after doing medical history and getting the lab results, what we really focus on are what neurotransmitter systems have gone awry.
If you have too little serotonin activity and you have too much dopamine activity (which is what you get in anxiety disorders and anything along the anxiety disorders) and then we just have to [inaudible 00:56:37]. We give them nutrient program aimed at really normalizing brain function and neurotransmission function.
Wendy Myers: Okay. I have a few questions now from my listeners that are really, really excited that you’re coming on the show, so they’re a bit random.
If you have a whole blood histamine that is just outside the functional range, will it permanently – oh, sorry. I asked that question already. Do you have any advice for undermethylators with a history of miscarriage who want to get pregnant and whose blood tests show that they’re deficient in RBC folate, folinic acid and other folate factors?
William Walsh: Probably the real reason for that person for having miscarriages is that they’re folate deficient and they needed to have some supplementation of folates [inaudible 00:57:27].
Wendy Myers: Okay.
William Walsh: A woman who’s about to have a child or about to get pregnant, before they get pregnant, they should make sure that they’re not folate deficient. They must. Otherwise, they’re likely to get a miscarriage versus nature’s way or they’re taking a baby that’s got some deformities and or they might have spina bifida or other problems.
The nasty part is I know a lot of people that when a woman gets pregnant, she just wants to protect that baby and they’ll stop smoking and then they’ll stop drinking alcohol and they’ll have a great diet. People will exercise and all these other things. The problem is it’s too late because most of this epigenetic placement of these methyl bookmarks happens between day 18 and day 22 of gestation, before they’re even pregnant.
So the major harm from not having enough folate or harm from maybe toxics or from a poor diet, it’s too late unless they found out they’re pregnant really early. So I think that the people who are in childbearing age, women of childbearing age need to do this before they get pregnant.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. So let’s talk a little bit about hair mineral analysis, one of my favorite subjects.
William Walsh: I’ve probably done more of that. One time, I was told by doctors that they thought [inaudible 00:59:05].
Wendy Myers: Yeah.
William Walsh: …for criminals.
Wendy Myers: Yeah. So you talked about specific hair patterns with regards to mal-absorption in sociopaths. Can you explain specifically the hair patterns that you’ll see in sociopaths? You’ve established they’ve gotten mercury, cadmium and lead toxicity. What about…
William Walsh: [inaudible 00:59:27] toxics unless they lived in Hawaii and weren’t exposed. They typically tend to be elevated in toxics, but the key is they tend to be very low in copper and they’re sky-high in sodium and potassium. That’s the basic pattern for them.
Now most people with a behavior disorder, say people who has psychiatrist saying they have episodic rage disorder, people who have a nice personality and the sweet people, they have a terrible temper and [inaudible 00:59:58], they tend to have the opposite patterns. They tend to have really high copper levels. major copper and zinc ratio and low [inaudible 01:00:10].
The sociopaths also tend to have really high calcium/magnesium levels in their hair, but that is associated with deficiency. [Inaudible 01:00:21] people on hair analysis by now, I’m sure you know there are three elements of hair that if it’s sky high, it means deficiency in blood of zinc, calcium and magnesium.
If you get a result where the zinc is sky high, it usually correlates with low blood levels. And the reason is the hair is an excretory tissue. It’s a little disgusting [inaudible 01:00:42]. And basically, most of the zinc [inaudible 01:00:49] your body. Some enters and leaves your body every day, most of it leaves through your bile and stool.
However, if you have something metabolic [inaudible 01:01:00], maybe Pyrrole disorder or something else, you get too much zinc leaving, you have high levels in your urine, high levels in your hair and your blood levels will be very low. So you’d be zinc deficient, and the reason is either you have too much of it leaving [inaudible 01:01:17] like a hole in a bucket. The zinc is being lost instead of being regenerated and conserved.
But I find hair analysis very valuable for malabsorption because they tend to be low in everything. You’ve probably seen these results where you find people that are low in virtually everything. And that correlates really nicely with malabsorption.
Wendy Myers: Yes, and cancer patients as well. They tend to have malabsorption and, therefore, severe mineral deficiencies, severe amino-compromised and eventually, develop cancer and other chronic illnesses.
William Walsh: And we now know that most cancers are epigenetic. This is something they just learned in the last 5 or 10 years. All the new research seem to be focused on finding what genes are now expressing well, what cancer-protection genes are now shut off because of environmental assault that caused this valuable protein to stop being produced?
Wendy Myers: You tested a lot of sociopaths including Charles Manson.
William Walsh: Charles Manson, Richard Speck, Henry Lee Lucas who confessed to killing 360 people. We’ve done the Post Office Slayer. [Inaudible 01:02:37]. He was the guy who came to work one day and he held a bag of four guns and shot and killed 17 people.
I’ve been involved in a lot of forensic studies. My first one was James Oliver Huberty. You’re probably too young to remember that one. He’s the guy that went into a McDonald’s in the early 1980s and shot and killed 23 people.
The next day, I got a call from the coroner and they asked me if I would participate in the study, trying to understand the biochemistry, trying to understand why he might have done this. So they sent me some body parts. They sent me hair sample, for example. We found out that he was incredibly high in cadmium and also quite high in zinc. He also had a blood type B sociopathic pattern, but nothing that would make you think he would go and kill 23 people.
So I sent my confidential report back to the coroner of San Diego County. And then, I got a callback a week later, and they said, “We’ve been testing and everything about him is normal. We can’t find anything abnormal. He doesn’t have a brain tumor. And every other test has come back normal except yours. We’ve got a question. If he had this much cadmium in his body, why wasn’t he dead?”
Because cadmium is really nasty, maybe one of the nastiest of the classic metals. It goes to your kidneys, it collects in your kidney. It causes kidney failure and death.
Wendy Myers: And that causes high sodium and potassium as well.
William Walsh: I said, “I don’t know.”
And then the same guy called me back (he’s the doctor on staff) about three weeks later. He said, “We [inaudible 01:04:24]. I just wanted you to know that Huberty was a welder for 17 years in Ohio, working for Babcock & Wilcox. And when he quit his job recently, in his exit interview, he wrote in his own handwriting he was quitting because he felt the fumes were making him crazy. And cadmium was one of the toxins you can get from that.”
And he said, “Also, we found out that he was at the emergency room of a hospital twice in the last six weeks before he did the crime… both times of kidney failure.”
Eventually, they published that in the news throughout the world. And for about the next 20 years, every time there was some horrible crime, I would be invited to do autopsy. I’ve got many of them, working with medical examiners, Scotland Yard, the FBI, San Francisco Police Department. I’ve done a lot of that.
And even though these are gruesome cases, cases where terrible things happened, I always wanted to get the samples of somebody like Charles Manson because the imbalances are so sharp and so clear and so pronounced. It’s good for science.
Wendy Myers: And the people that smoke marijuana and cigarettes, these are also substances that are very high in cadmium. And people develop cadmium toxicity from smoking them. There’s really a lot of people are doing that. But to become a sociopath, is it really a matter of them not being able to excrete these toxins?
William Walsh: Sociopaths are born. They’re born. These are the kids who, even at the age of six months, the mother knows they’re different.
Wendy Myers: Maybe my question is more that does sociopathy expresses as criminal behavior with cadmium toxicity?
William Walsh: Well, part of their condition is the inability to get rid of cadmium, mercury and lead. [Inaudible 01:06:19] So it’s just part of their inborn condition. And it aggravates everything, of course. I don’t think it’s the main reason they’re sociopaths.
Carl Pfeiffer found sociopaths are – the first group I brought him were five people fresh out of prison who have done some very terrible things. They all have the antisocial personality or the sociopathic pattern. We took a plane to [inaudible 01:06:46]. We went to the prison to see [inaudible 01:06:48]. This is our first group, probably our second. He he found out that they all had extreme zinc deficiency. They all had elevated Pyrrole’s. They were all very under methylated. They had low [inaudible 01:07:02]. We found this combination of five or six imbalances. They’re all the same.
He was excited because they were all the same. It’s held up over the years. People will have antisocial personality disorder and they tend to populate the prisons. They’re born that way.
The saddest cases are wonderful families that adopt a lot of children, if they adopt someone with that inborn tendency, it can just be heartbreaking. If you have a number of these wonderful parents that might be adopting 5 or 10 or 15 handicapped or troubled children – I’ve had cases where they were bringing their child and they said, “Well, if you can’t fix this person, we’re going to have to give them back.”
I’ve talked to mothers of people who [inaudible 01:07:56]. One mother told me how she tried to [inaudible 01:08:01]. Another mother said she tried to start the child on solid food and tried to use a spoon, the child wouldn’t let the mother do it. He had to grab the spoon and do it himself.
Kids who, at the age of, maybe, a year and a half, started torturing and tormenting pets of the family. I met one mother who said her two-year-old, she heard the dog screaming and she found him sticking a needle on the dog. She said, “Why did you do that?” And he said, “I just wanted to see how long he could scream.”
And there is a fascination with fire and all these nasty things. They’re born.
Now, the imbalances could be mild, moderate and severe. So if they’re mild, a person has a mild tendency for that kind of activity and they’re in a loving, caring home and they have resources, maybe counseling, they might turn out fine.
But if they are born with severe imbalances, you can’t level away and it’s just going to be a heartbreak for the family.
One thing I learned with all my work of 18 years of working with ex-convicts, I learned the parents of a criminal are very often a parent with a broken heart and they did everything they could to help their child and they couldn’t.
But we can fix them if we get them young. So, that was exciting!
Wendy Myers: Dr. Walsh, I have a question I’d like to ask all of my guests. What do you think is the most pressing health issue in the world today?
William Walsh: Well, if we’re talking rural [inaudible 01:09:43] Africa and all these underdeveloped countries, I think it has to do with food and water. I think their nutrition is a terrible problem and even their ability to have decent water. That’s such a basic, but I think that’s probably number one.
In developed countries like United States and Europe (and recently China), our environments are getting worse and worse and worse. So the need for water for nutrition is just increasing. Our environment is definitely getting worse and worse.
Wendy Myers: I personally believe that diet alone is not enough. It’s definitely important. It’s a foundation. But today, we are so toxic and so stressed. It’s simply not enough. People need targeted nutrient therapy in order to be healthy, I believe.
William Walsh: That’s right. I think it would help everybody if they would find out who they are biochemically. Find out what nutrients they’re deficient in and which ones [inaudible 01:10:43].
If we were to test almost anyone at random, we will probably find five or six important nutrients that because of genetics, they were very low of. And we would find that maybe there would be two or three that they are elevated in and that they need to avoid like poison. And it would be so helpful if a person knew who they were biochemically.
Now, I got lucky. When I brought my first group of five criminals to Pfeiffer, he forced me to go do the testing myself. I didn’t want to do it. I didn’t like [inaudible 01:11:12]. But he did it and he told me what my chemistry was. And it’s been wonderful for me.
I found out that I’m very zinc deficient. Most people get all their zinc they need from their diet. I take 100 milligrams a day and it’s just barely enough to meet my blood level. I found I was under methylated. So he gave me his treatment for undermethylation which, in his case, included methionine. Since I’ve done that, I used to have migraine headaches that were terrible and they’ve been gone ever since. I also used to have seasonal allergies and I no longer get it. So I think everybody would benefit if they knew how to do it.
And you can get a lot of information just from a questionnaire. I was talking to a well-known pharmacist who is quite famous and has won awards for nutritional [inaudible 01:12:09] and products. We were talking about possibly developing a system for the general population, not sick people, but the general population. We’re using a very carefully designed questionnaire asking key questions plus perhaps, maybe $50 worth of testing, perhaps.
I think with genetic testing, we could tell a person what the ideal supplement would be for them.
So [inaudible 01:12:42] really helpful. I don’t think many people benefit that much from multiple vitamins, unless they’re [inaudible 01:12:54].
People constantly were asking me what are good vitamins or some different kinds of vitamins or products, and the answer is it depends on the person. It depends on their chemistry. Is this right for you or maybe not?
Wendy Myers: It’s all about individual biochemistry, absolutely.
William Walsh: And it was the great Roger Williams back in the last 1940s who first made the world aware of biochemical [inaudible 01:13:24], that the best diet and the best nutrients for one person are not the best for the next person.
Wendy Myers: Dr. Walsh, can you tell our listeners where they can find you and learn more about the Walsh Institute?
William Walsh: Well, we have a website. It’s WalshInstitute.org. And if you were to just simply Google “Walsh Institute” or “Walsh Research Institute,” you’ll get to our website and get a lot of information.
Another thing is a lot of people buy the book that I wrote. It’s only $15. You can get it in bookstores. You can get it at Barnes & Noble. You can get it Amazon at roughly the same price you can get it from our website. Then the profits will go into our charity and help finance our charitable work.
The book covers the basis of everything I talked about today. It summarizes all of that. It summarizes how nutrients are involved in making neurotransmitters. It talks about the epigenetics, which is a complicated thing. And it also talks specifically about the various problems, behavior disorders, ADHD, even dementia, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia.
So if people have those problems or loved ones who have those problems, I think they can learn a lot from it. And that would be a beginning. It would be a start.
We also have on our website (and in the book) a resources section where we indicate labs that we know are good labs. And we have a long and a global list of doctors who we have worked with and trained that we know are doing this kind of work. We’re scattered throughout the globe.
Wendy Myers: So listeners, go there if you want to find a practitioner that knows how to do Dr. Walsh’s protocol. Dr. Walsh, thank you so much for coming on the show. I really appreciate it.
William Walsh: Thank you, Wendy. Good to talk to you.
Wendy Myers: Thank you. Listeners, if you want to learn more about me, go to myersdetox.com. You can learn all about my health protocol, my online health program, BodyBioRehab.com, and learn all about my healing and detox program at MineralPower.com.
Thank you so much for listening to the Live to 110 Podcast.
