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  • 01:42 About Jen Springer
  • 05:09 Lab Testing for the Thyroid
  • 09:58 Hypothyroidism and Hashimoto’s Testing
  • 12:09 The Hashimoto “Gloom and Doom”
  • 14:38 Overcoming Thyroid Issues
  • 32:38 Standard Medical Practice and Thyroid Problems
  • 44:15 Calcium and Magnesium
  • 46:09 Graves’ Disease
  • 57:20 Xenoestrogens and Estrogen Dominance
  • 67:48 Where to Find Jen Springer

Wendy Myers: Hello, welcome to the Live to 110 Podcast. My name is Wendy Myers and you can find me at myersdetox.com and in my new website, MineralPower.com. I just launched this new site so that you can learn more about my healing and detox program.

You can find this video podcast on my YouTube channel at Wendy Live To 110 and the corresponding blog post will contain the video as well if you prefer to watch rather than just listen.

Wendy Myers: Today, I have Jen Springer on the podcast and we’re going to be talking about thyroid health and some of the problems that people can encounter when they have thyroid disease, what kind of supplements they should or shouldn’t take, a lot of controversies surrounding the thyroid.
I do a lot of shows on the thyroid because I think a lot of people today have low thyroid function for a lot of reasons that we’re going to discuss today on the podcast. And you need to have proper thyroid function, have a healthy metabolism for so many reasons in the body that we’re going to discuss today.

Please keep in mind that this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional medical advice. Please be advised that anything we suggest today on the podcast, please consult your healthcare practitioner before engaging in anything today that we discuss.

01:42 About Jen Springer

Wendy Myers: My friend, Jen Springer has been immersed in natural health science since 2001 when her veterinarians invited her to a class about holistic animal care at their home. She’s found results with some simple changes in her nutritional care and from then, she pursued education in body work, nutrition and herbology.

Jen has taught thousands of people over the years on natural health for family wellness, pets and even gardening. Empowering people with knowledge and tools to take back their health is her mission and her passion. So Jen, thank you so much for coming on the show.

Jen Springer: Yes, thank you for having me. I’m so excited to talk about this topic because like you said earlier, it’s rampant. It’s the foundation of health and if your thyroid is not online, everything is not going to work correctly.

Wendy Myers: Yes. Why don’t we start? Just tell the listeners a little bit about you and your practice and just what you do and where to find you.

Jen Springer: I’ve been doing this since 2001 and I was always interested in natural healing in herbs. I found in the book cases there behind me, there is a book in there from when I was a kid that was on herbs and spices and I’ve always had an interest in that.

But as most people know, it’s overwhelming to learn about other stuff than all this medication. You wonder if the person talking to you is just trying to sell you something. Are the herbs good? Are the nutrients that we need to take, do we need to take all of them? I mean there are so many factors and I was afraid to even get into it until my veterinarians asked me over to do a class that they were doing on natural things you could do for horse care and I’ve had horses for a very long time and I thought that was cool.

So I went and then my eyes were opened because I trusted them. I know them for years, so I knew they weren’t going to lead me down the wrong path. And that’s how it all started.

Actually, the first thing I ever saw, a huge difference, was the thyroid with my horses. I had two at the time and both of them had low thyroid. Then I used some nutrition, some essential oils and some supplements and within 10 weeks, let’s just say their thyroids were fully functioning at a normal level. And literally, following those labs, I just went down the rabbit hole and that’s how the whole thing started. And now, I’ve been practicing since then and even today, I’ve had a couple of clients and I really love helping people with their nutrition.

I still do body work because I love helping people even on that level because they believe the body and the health of the body, you’re able to really facilitate that through body work. And then doing a lot of seminars and classes, I feel like I can reach more people through education versus even one-on-ones. But I still like to keep myself sharp by seeing clients just to stay in touch and not just be a theorist.

Our website that we’re at is LiveGreen.solutions. We’re still building it, so if somebody listens to this right away, it doesn’t look totally done, but we can be reached through there and plus, I have a little opt-in for people about detoxing. They’re all in there. It’s cool to give them some information.

05:09 Lab Testing for the Thyroid

Wendy Myers: Okay, great. Yeah, so let’s launch into the thyroid. So a lot of people go to their physician, they get their lab work. Can you tell us some of the problems involved in the standard of lab ranges and why we probably shouldn’t go by those?

Jen Springer: It’s like a load of questions. First of all, if you can get your doctor to run the correct labs, that’s the biggest feat of all. Of course, we want to see – they always run TSH and they’ll diagnose and treat based off of TSH, which is really not even a thyroid hormone, but it’s a signaling hormone from the pituitary gland.

But we look at the TSH. Is the thyroid not listening? If it’s not listening, the TSH is higher and the more the thyroid is not listening, the higher the TSH goes because it’s thyroid stimulating hormone and it’s the pituitary giving out the orders.

We also want free T4 and free T3. Those are really critical because those are the actual available hormones. And then I also like to look at reverse T3 and TPO antibodies. I’ve seen very few of the lab results that have come back that don’t have any antibodies. We’ll get into that. That’s a whole […] on itself.

But then we also want to look and know that the T3 is going down the right channel by looking at the reverse T3 if people are under stress or they have estrogen dominance. I’ve had a client recently whose reverse T3 was 85 and their T3 was one. So we knew that it was all being shunted into reverse T3. So I like to look at that as well.

So getting those labs are correct, but when you’re reading them, it’s even more – the way I have been taught for the ranges is the TSH needs to be one or less according to what I have learned and that’s what I use with my standard of practice. Then we know that the thyroid is listening.

Depending on the person and what’s going on with them, typically the T3 and T4, I want to see them in the ranges in the upper two-thirds, just three quarters of the range. Even if people, their free T3 are at about 3 or 3.2, they still have some hypothyroid symptoms, but I also want to look and make sure that it’s converting.

If I have a TSH, which I had one recently, that TSH was 0.98, it was a beautiful number and then free T4, I don’t remember if it was 1.3 or something like that, I don’t remember the number. But it looked good and that’s the one where the T3 was one. When the range goes from two something, all these ranges, like you said, they’re all different according to the lab, but that person’s was ridiculously low.

And you want to look and see if they’re in the same quadrants within the ranges to know if people are converting their hormones properly. And then of course, we want antibodies to be about zero.

And then the reverse T3, there are actually some mathematical calculations you can do with that to know if the numbers are correct. So really to talk about it here, it’s a little bit difficult, but there are actually some mathematical formulas you do to make sure that the reverse T3 is not dominating the T3. So there you go.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, when I see clients who have reverse T3 above 10, I know they have a lot of toxins in their body. That’s a sign of toxicity as well.

Jen Springer: Yeah.

Wendy Myers: And I’m amazed when I see clients that give me their medical labs and look over. I’m amazed that for some of them, the doctors have only tested TSH and it’s just insane to me. You need to do a complete thyroid panel including antibodies.

Doctors will do a good thyroid panel, but usually only free T3 and T4, but no antibodies. It’s usually incomplete. So you really have to press your doctor to give you a complete picture of thyroid health.

Jen Springer: And what I do a lot – sometimes doctors will run only certain labs and I’m sure you do the same thing. If they can get some of them run, often it’s just TSH and T4. And then I help them find in any labs now or walk-in labs or something like that where they can go and get the other labs taken that they need in order for us to get a big picture of what’s happening because we really can’t without knowing those numbers.

Like you said, people are diagnosing and prescribing based off of a TSH number and it’s just a fraction of the picture. So it’s scary.

09:58 Issues with Hypothyroidism and Hashimoto’s Testing

Wendy Myers: So you were saying that even if people’s TSH is zero, so they presumably don’t have Hashimoto’s or autoimmune thyroid disease, why is it misleading when their antibodies are only zero? You were talking earlier that you think that most people that have hypothyroidism actually have Hashimoto’s, which is an autoimmune thyroid condition. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Jen Springer: Yeah. Part of the issue is that even with any of the labs, we’re only catching a small snapshot of time as to what’s really going on at that particular moment, at that time of the day and it’s going to vary.

I use a symptom questionnaire. It’s a bazillion pages long. Literally, it’s 20 pages long and I have to go through and we really look at what’s happening because as you know, a lot of the thyroid stuff also looks like the adrenal stuff, but also looks like the hormone stuff. It’s very confusing. So to really pin down what’s the cause of this function, is it Hashi’s or somebody is just hypo?

And sometimes people are a little bit on the edge or borderline, but there are so many statistics that say that people, 90%, people who are hypo actually have Hashi’s. So you can have all the strange things happening and not actually present with antibody numbers per se.

Plus there are other enzymes that the body could be – the body has many enzymatic processes and the TPO enzyme is only one of many. And so there could be actually antibodies against other enzymes that are involved with the conjugation of thyroid hormones. So we’re really only looking at one little thing, but if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck and it looks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. I like that analogy.

Jen Springer: Yeah. And I probably said that wrong because I always screw up analogies.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: You know what I mean, everybody.

12:09 The Hashimoto “Gloom and Doom”

Wendy Myers: So people have Hashimoto’s. Are they doomed? What is your take on that?

Jen Springer: Yes. No! Well, I’m one of those fortunate people that have dealt with this and when I first got my labs back and being even a health practitioner, it was very frustrating because I knew about hypothyroidism and stuff like that and when I actually got back the labs and had the high reverse T3 and the antibodies, I went to look out and searched out the information myself.

There is so much out there that basically says you’re gloom and doom and you’re going to basically just suffer. You’re having problems, which you’re going to deal with hyper and hypo symptoms from time to time and your life is going to be hell. And then eventually those will take out your thyroid gland. That freaked me out. It totally freaked me out.

I work with many practitioners and really nobody had an answer and I was so frustrated. It was creating a lot of issues for me emotionally because everybody is talking about thyroid and Hashi’s and how you’re going to do all these things. It is complicated, but it’s not.

And I’m really fortunate to have found a physician who is a specialist in thyroid and he’s so funny. I told him what was going on, I told him my numbers and he said, “Do this and do that and in four weeks, you will be fine and we’ll talk about how we cured your Hashimoto’s.” I’m like, “You’re so full of crap.” I’m like, “Who is this guy?”

Everybody else makes it this really huge thing. “You’re just going to suffer for endless months and years forever.” And in four weeks to the day, I took my labs, my T3 was 3.7. It was beautiful. My TSH is 0.7 something and my antibodies were in half and my reverse T3 was significantly reduced down into normal ranges. And so I was like, “All right, I’m totally listening to this guy.” And that’s how the passion for the thyroid, really that’s how it happened for me. Of course since then, after I worked through all those issues, all of my clients, except for one are all female thyroid clients.

14:38 Overcoming Thyroid Issues

Wendy Myers: Yeah. So what did he do? What did he do to bring your antibodies down so quickly?

Jen Springer: Well, we use a whole bovine glandular for the thyroid replacement, which is only available through practitioners. There’s a lot of crud out there about this too. It’s not porcine. It’s bovine, so it’s a cow. And then it’s the whole gland versus isolated.

I was on a Nature-Throid for a couple of years and I never saw or felt a difference even though my numbers looked okay probably because the Hashi’s was never addressed, the numbers were never run. And I tried Armour and I couldn’t even get off the couch. I don’t know what happened with my situation, but it was just terrible.

I discontinued my thyroid medication because it was creating some issues. And actually when I try to go back on it, my adrenals were so shot, I couldn’t even take it. It was terrible.

So when I talked to this physician, he said, “I’ve been using this in my practice for many years and this is what I work with people on.” There were a lot of theories out there that people say, “Oh, if you take glandular, you’re going to create antibodies against the glandular and all that.” And asking him, he’s like, “That’s crap. That’s crap.” And so that was a piece of it. That was a big piece of it.

And the magnesium and the selenium are a big part of it. And then of course iodine would tie the knots to start right away because I actually had antibodies and we’ll talk about that in a minute.

But I also use to bring the numbers, I did not do iodine during those first four weeks because I was so freaked about my thyroid and you read all that stuff about Hashi’s people and iodine. I’m like, “I’m just going to do this without the iodine.” And I used black cumin seed oil and other essential oils over my thyroid gland and that is what brought down the numbers.

So, I directly applied those to my thyroid right over the base of the neck and that is what brought down the inflammation because Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. For any of you who have had your medical terminology, “-itis” means inflamed. So when you got an –itis, that’s what it is. So there’s something that’s causing an inflammation in that thyroid. So you got to go after that and that’s what the black cumin seed oil and the essential oils went and helped normalize that and that’s what brought those numbers way down.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I’ve heard that’s an excellent remedy for Hashimoto’s to put that cumin seed oil, black cumin seed oil on there.

Jen Springer: Yes, four weeks. I was like, “Oh my gosh, this is crazy.” I got my labs and I burst in tears of joy because I thought I was going to be doomed forever with this problem.

Wendy Myers: Hashimoto’s is actually one of the easier problems to resolve. What people don’t realize is that it’s not this big problem that, like you said, people make it out to be. It’s actually not that difficult to resolve.

Jen Springer: It’s been sensationalized and there are thyroid summits and all this stuff that’s going on out there and they just make it. They got to sensationalize something and so that’s what has happened.

And unfortunately, endocrinologists, not all of them, but so many of them drink the Kool-Aid and their way of fixing it is waiting for it to be attacked to the point where it needs to be removed. It’s so incredibly sad. I’ve had so many clients who had partial thyroidectomies or full. And then what do you do? It’s like, “Ah.” When we get that, it’s like, “Sorry, I wish you found somebody sooner.” And it’s really sad.

I’m just glad that there are people like us out here that know and then people that listen to this that can share this information and help people with their thyroids.

Wendy Myers: It’s just so sad. I belong to a bunch of thyroid groups on Facebook and the women, they have a group. It’s actually great, but the doctor just wants to give the radiation therapy or remove it. And women are saying, “Oh, I have my appointment tomorrow to get my thyroid removed” and I’m like, “No, stop!”

Jen Springer: No!

Wendy Myers: But they’re going to listen to their doctor and they’re going to do it and they’re going to be on thyroid medication for life and it won’t work that well. But people, they have to take that journey and they’re not able to find alternative healing methods because you can heal or improve almost any condition using natural methods.

Wendy Myers: And for people who need selenium, every person that I test is selenium-deficient, maybe except for one person in Hawaii because they have really selenium-rich soils. But you need to selenium to produce thyroid hormones. So selenium is very important.

Jen Springer: Yes. It’s so important for glutathione too. It’s just an incredible mineral. And magnesium is another one. Who has adequate magnesium levels? Nobody.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, nobody. Everyone is magnesium-deficient. Yeah, selenium, I really like that I prefer as life extension. Se-methylselenocysteine, I think that’s the best form out there if you’re going to supplement. That’s what I personally take.

20:05 Iodine

Wendy Myers: So to iodine or not to iodine? I have lots of people in the podcast, very well-known thyroid experts that talk about studies that show when you take iodine, it increases thyroid antibodies or it can potentially increase thyroid antibodies and make the condition worse. What is your opinion on that?

Jen Springer: Of course it does. The reason why not many people talk about the cause here. Gentlemen, some of you have heard of him, his name is Dr. Roby Mitchell. That’s who I work with directly. He says that what’s the cause of Hashimoto’s in the thyroid is Candida. It’s fungus overgrowing in the thyroid.

And the number one fungus killer, hands down, is iodine. So if you’re taking iodine and it’s making its way to the thyroid and all of a sudden, you’re killing the Candida, you might have some symptoms of die-off, which could be apparent as a slight hyperthyroid symptom, maybe a little heart palpitation, maybe you get a little hot, maybe you feel a little racy or something like that.

That can happen. That’s why if you have Hashi’s, you must work with a practitioner that can help you with increasing your iodine. Don’t just start loading up iodine if you’re full-blown Hashi’s, you’ll wind up like, “Whoa!” because you’re killing the fungus that’s in the thyroid. So you want to do that slowly if you have been diagnosed with the Hashi’s.

It’s the coolest thing. He showed us some research that he did. And he took Petri dishes and he put in Candida, growing Candida in all these dishes. And then he took the [cortisol] and put it in with the Candida and it took care of it, maybe a third of it onto the dish. And then he did all other things. But then he did the iodine and the drop of iodine in the dish with the Candida was like an atomic bomb. I mean it killed it. Even at a super weak concentration, it completely wiped out the Candida.

So that’s why people get some Herxheimer from their response when they use the iodine and they may appear to be having increase of antibodies or see a little hyper type of symptom. Even myself, when I take iodine, I have to take it slow.

And even with my clients, I encourage them. I can’t tell them what to do because I’m not a doctor, but I tell them to start slow. Do a dose and then go for a week and then see where you are and then you can increase or stay the same or go backwards. You start seeing all these symptoms of die-off that are too much to handle and that you don’t work through back off.

And then there are often co-factors that are missing as well. They’re seeing iodine, Herxing as well. They’re low in sodium and they’re low in the magnesium and vitamin C. There are other things that can happen with it.

To answer your question, absolutely they could see that response, but when you go slow – there’s no race to raise up and load up iodine. You just take your time. And when you’re balanced out, you can increase it until your body is able to assimilate that iodine at an appropriate level. Yeah.

Wendy Myers: Is there any type of iodine or form of iodine that you prefer?

Jen Springer: I’m never a – I’m trying to be clever here and I’m failing – one trick pony. I like to shake it up a little bit. Everybody’s doing the Lugol’s , the potassium iodine and the iodine. That’s what most people do. But I also rotate in the nascent iodine.

People are cooking and they can put some seaweed in their food. I mean that’s great too as well. I think it’s good to rotate things. Some people may agree and some people may disagree.

I always do nascent because my body seems to really love it. And then I will bring in and do some Lugol’s. In my own opinion, I prefer the liquid Lugol’s. I also like to put it on topically because I hate the taste of it so much, but you could put it internally. The nascent tastes really good, so I do that one internally. I put them together because I know that the breasts need the iodine and the thyroid needs iodine, the ovary needs the iodine. So I like to make sure that I’m getting it complete in all the other elemental forms that the body likes to use.

25:01 Supplementations

Wendy Myers: Do you like recommending kelp supplementation?

Jen Springer: Yes. Like I said, I don’t think the human being was meant to eat one type of thing, even with foods. Even when I work with people nutritionally, I really want people all sorts of things and rotate all sorts of things into their diet.

All of us need iodine, especially when we live in the Midwest and we have no seafood anywhere. I’m plugged right here in the goiter belt. Yes, I absolutely love seeing the kelp and other forms of seaweed. Like I said, I prefer people get it that way, but people will also do the Lugol’s. And I prefer the liquid Lugol’s, which I spaced out before with where I was going with that because it’s easier to titrate up.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: You could take the 12.5 pills, but that’s a lot. Me, antibody numbers, if I took 12.5, my heart is going to go crazy with pulps. So at least, with the Lugol’s, the liquid, I could do a drop of 2%, which is a weaker percent. I could go up slower.

I feel the Hashi’s people. I was carrying tablets before I was carrying the liquid here in my practice and like I just said, I tell them, “Cut this pill into thirds.” And then I’m like, “Wait a minute, let’s just go with the liquid.”

Wendy Myers: Yeah, yeah. I really like the Detoxadine by Global Healing Center. It’s a nascent iodine.

Jen Springer: That’s the one I use.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I really like that one.

Jen Springer: I do too. My body loves that. It loves it. I crave that one. And like I said, I’ll put some Lugol’s in my skin.

The nascent is doing its job because when it bursts, the Lugol’s was absorbing really quick and now when I put Lugol’s on my skin, it’s really not going in very fast. I’ve been using that one that you’re talking about, the nascent, the brand. I really like it.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: I really do.

Wendy Myers: I do too. It’s really interesting you say that there’s Candida infection in the thyroid. That’s what I’ve always known to be true. People have Hashimoto’s. That’s an infection the body is trying to attack.

Jen Springer: Yes.

Wendy Myers: And then another really good thing people can do is an infrared sauna. Infrared saunas heat up the body and kill off various infections in the body. It’s also good when you have low thyroid function. If it’s hypothyroid, you tend to have lower body temperature. So you tend to harbor more infections in your body because you don’t have the body heat to kill them off.

So doing an infrared sauna does a lot of different duties including detoxing the metals that might be in your thyroid like mercury. Mercury is the number one metal toxin that people harbor. And infrared sauna and other detox methods can be really helpful on a number of levels as well.

Jen Springer: I was going to mention why this becomes such a vicious cycle with the thyroid and the Candida and you mentioned it. That’s why I’m going there, the low body temperature with a low functioning thyroid.

The body temperature, especially women, we start to go into a lower functioning state of the thyroid starting about age 26 or age 27. So gradually, we’ll start to see decline overtime. So our body temperatures are going to drop, which keeps the [triggers] as we like to call them. The body temperature being in optimal level was keeping those [triggers] in check. You just cook them. Your body would cook them. That’s why we get a fever. It cooks the pathogens.

But if our body is not getting up to a temperature that allows Candida to overgrow – I mean Candida is always in our body. It’s a scavenger. It does a great job of taking care of things in your colon that are nasty. So it does its place, but when it gets out of control, that’s when it becomes a big problem.
The other problem that needs to very much be addressed with optimal thyroid function is low hydrochloric acid in stomach. I know you know this. This is totally talking to what you teach, Wendy.

If your thyroid is not functioning properly, your thyroid T3 hormone – I’ve got this huge long analogy of how I explain it. But T3 hormone is the mojo that makes your cells work. It’s literally the sparkplug that makes things happen with ATP and all that. So if you don’t have optimal energy and I’m not talking about feeling good and energetic, I mean your cells, if the little factories can’t run in your cells, hydrochloric acid production takes massive amounts of ATP to make. And so your body conserves and there are lower levels of HCl in your stomach, which most people are not optimal with their HCl in their stomach because this thyroid is rampant and therefore the whole cascade of stuff happens.

They can’t digest their food, so therefore you don’t have amino acids that are available. Then you get the food chunks floating around in the blood and then they wind up with leaky gut and all those allergies. They cannot pull the minerals out of their food because they need optimal HCl. That’s what pulls and chelates the minerals right out.

You don’t have B vitamins. They’re not being made either because the pH of the stomach is what determines the cascade of what happens in the small intestine and the large intestine. Bile is being squirted out, pancreatic enzymes are being squirted out. All these things happen based off of the correct pH of the stomach.

Also the HCl sterilizes your food. So, if there are any cooties growing on your food, why do some people get E coli or some people get food poisoning and other people don’t? It’s because different people have different HCl levels that sterilize their food or not.

And then what keeps Candida under control is that other word that everybody is saying now, SIBO. Everybody’s SIBO is another whole thing. It’s the HCl in the stomach is not high enough to drop the pH low enough in the stomach because when that’s correct, the pH of the small intestine is correct, which is alkaline and then the acidic large intestine.

So that does not happen unless the pH of the stomach hits that right point and the pancreatic enzymes don’t get delivered at the pH and it doesn’t go low enough and the gallbladder doesn’t work right. Everybody’s got a gallbladder problem. And this is my soapbox. I’m like, “Whoa!”

Wendy Myers: Yes, I give everyone hydrochloric acid across the board because if you have low thyroid, low adrenal function and you have toxic metals like arsenic and mercury that are proton pump inhibitors, everyone needs more HCl. You need that down the line to make your enzymes and bile and all the other digestive substances.

Jen Springer: Absolutely. Yeah, you got nothing if you don’t have HCl.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, exactly.

Jen Springer: Nothing. You can take all of those expensive supplements in the world and eat organic and all that jazz, but if your HCl isn’t there, you can’t assimilate anything.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. And you need that until you can heal your adrenals and heal your thyroid and detox your body so that there’s nothing interfering in hydrochloric acid production. So it’s not forever, just a little while.

Jen Springer: And you know too because you won’t be able to take what you used to take because it will start making you uncomfortable, which is good sign that you need to start cutting down.

32:38 Standard Medical Practice and Thyroid Problems

Wendy Myers: Yeah, yeah. So good thyroid labs, they go to the doctor, they get tested. The doctor is like, “Oh, nothing wrong with you. Your thyroid labs look okay.” Why do they still feel hypothyroid and have hypothyroid symptoms?

Jen Springer: There are two things. One is their labs may not be read properly, which I talked about earlier with their reading of TSH. They told me mine was fine because my TSH was 3.02. And now if I had a client that came that way, I’d be like, “Oh, my gosh! We’ve got to work with this.”

So a) they’re not working with it properly, but b) you’ve got other things that are partying along with the thyroid. There’s the hypothalamus, pituitary, adrenals and thyroid. They’re all friends and they talk to each other and all that jazz.

But somebody likes to take over when the thyroid is not appropriately working because all these reasons we have talked about. So those little adrenal glands are trying so hard to keep up and they’re trying to make your metabolism work. So you could be hypothyroid for a year or 10 years or decades, depending on how old you are.

So your adrenals are just smoked and you can’t bring the adrenals back online unless your thyroid is back online. So the number one of many A, B, C, D and E because there are multiples is you got to bring that thyroid back or your adrenals will never come back.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: So the symptoms may be caused by the thyroid being under-functioning for so long that the adrenals need to be addressed.

But then there are also other hormones that could create things, symptoms or toxins or other digestive dysfunction that can also mimic thyroid, but generally if you get the thyroid online and singing, a lot of that shuffle shake out and then you know, “Okay, now I need to address this underlying cause or whatever once we get the thyroid back.”

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I’m amazed at how many clients will come to me and they just took their doctor’s word that their thyroid is fine without getting a copy of their labs and investigating them themselves. You cannot leave it up to doctors. You have to take your health into your own hands. You take responsibility for your health.

Get all the copies of all your lab reports, everything and investigate it yourself. Do your own homework because many times, the doctors will not treat until you’re so far gone that it may be very difficult for you to come back. They won’t treat you if you have subclinical like your TSH was three. That’s considered subclinical. That’s not considered, for many doctors, worthy of treatment. Why not catch it early? Why wait until you’re very, very sick?

35:41 Medications, Supplements, and Topical Products for Thyroid

Jen Springer: And one thing I do want to talk about also that most people don’t realize is that diabetes is directly related to thyroid function. There are two hormones that facilitate sugar getting into the cell and there’s a huge dependence on cortisol and also on T3 to bring fuel into the cell and if you don’t have enough thyroid hormone, T3, the active form, your glucose isn’t getting into the cell where you have high glucose levels in the blood, which we eventually call diabetes, which creates insulin resistance and blah-blah-blah. You got that.

And then if your eye was also low cortisol as well as being low thyroid, low cortisol, then you get hypoglycemia and all this other weird – I was eating like a perfect angel and even AA better than IA really. And then my A1C was still 5.7, which according to standard medicines, “You’re still okay.” But personally, I don’t like to see it above 5.5.

So I was dancing with some not so good stuff. And then I started doing the thyroid supplementation and that A1C dropped to 5.1 and I didn’t change anything in the diet. That T3 was allowing that glucose. I felt like I have low blood sugar all the time. I’d eat every three hours. If I did not eat every three hours, I was having a panic attack because of my blood sugar being low.

So I took care of the adrenals along with the thyroid, especially the thyroid. I first started taking the glandular. Within an hour, I literally stopped shaking because of my blood sugar. I was trembling all the time and I took that thyroid. It was like, “Holy cow!”

Wendy Myers: Yeah. I gave all my clients glandulars, so whether it’d be adrenal or thyroid or adrenal and pituitary because it’s so important for the minerals. It’s very, very mineral-rich because it gives the thyroid the food that it needs to heal, regenerate and function.

People have lost tissue, thyroid tissue from Hashimoto’s. The body has been attacking it for years. The thyroid glandular can help to regenerate the tissue.

Jen Springer: Yes, it’s got that DNA and RNA in there. The body has got a little blueprint, plus the amino acids and all that stuff. And it’s powerful and when you take a glandular, you’re getting all the thyroid hormones, T1, T2, T3, T4, plus all that DNA information and then like I said, the minerals and all that other goodness.

So I’m a huge fan. I love it. Even with a client, you get some clients that just start taking too much because they just do that. The worst thing that happens with somebody that takes too much glandular is they’ll poop more.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: They’re calling me and they’re like, “Wow, my balls are really moving.” I’m just like, “You might want to back down.”

Wendy Myers: Yeah. I was taking too much at one point, getting a little too happy pappy with it and I was just really wired and awake and I have trouble going to sleep. So you got to find that sweet spot. And it gives you energy, which is great. A lot of people with low thyroid have low energy. So it gets everything working again. It’s wonderful.

Jen Springer: I’m sure you get this all the time. People often ask, “I’m on Armour, I’m on Synthroid, I’m on Nature-Throid. What is the equivalent dose?” You got to work with the practitioner to know, to help you with that that’s qualified. And you also need to talk to your doctor because you just don’t stop your medication in order to switch over to a glandular because it’s not a good thing. You need to be guided with it. They work different, but they’re very effective, but you need to have guidance with that.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. You never want to stop your medication without the guidance of your physician absolutely.

Jen Springer: Yes.

Wendy Myers: So do you think people can eventually when they’re healing their thyroid, for some people, can they stop their medication?

Jen Springer: I’ve seen that happen. Yes. There are so many reasons. Like we said, we don’t know how the body is – we’re not looking inside the body and we can’t see what’s exactly happening. But for so many people, their issue is the conversion of T4 to T3 and there’s a hitch in the giddy up there.

So when people are prescribed medications that are T4 only, they don’t do well in those. They see all their thyroid symptoms or worse because they can’t convert. And so, getting a professional that can help them with that, that’s really an appropriate thing to do.

And then the thyroid, just like everything else, I have a really wise teacher one time tell me, he goes, “Your body never makes a mistake.” And so if your thyroid is under-functioning, then the body is telling you something is wrong. And then you address the issues that created the hypothyroidism, very often you can bring it back online.

I also have another theory on that too. I believe that our culture and our heritage for most people were so far away from what we should be eating. But I believe that our ancestors would eat these glands and we would be getting them through our soup stocks, through sweet breads even though nobody likes to eat those nowadays. And we would be getting those glands that we are now taking in a freeze-dried pill. We’re meant to eat them.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I absolutely agree. You’re right. People have been taking them forever.

Jen Springer: Yes.

Wendy Myers: They just didn’t know it.

Jen Springer: When you think about it, we were living a couple of hundred years ago, or even a hundred years ago (a little more now that we’re in this age), we will be making stocks with that. We would be making sweet breads. We would be eating them in some way and we would be getting that.

The reason why I think about this and feel so strongly about it is because of looking at my cats. And why are cats developing all these weird diseases when they’re living in our homes even if we’re giving them raw foods or whatever? And I believe it’s because the cats that are out hunting are eating a whole beast, whatever, they’re eating a bird or a mouse or a rabbit. They only eat the whole thing. They’re getting the bones, the glands, the organs and all that and they need that in order for their body to function properly.

They’re the same with us. How many times have we made head cheese? Not. Right? And I’m like you, I’ll take liver pills. I’ll offer that, taking those organs and glands.

In the Ancient times, our ancestors, the rich and the elite of the society would eat the organs and the glands and the brain. And the peasants would be given the meat. So what does that tell you?

Wendy Myers: I went to a restaurant the other day. I had some calf brains. It was a calf brain ravioli.

Jen Springer: How was that?

Wendy Myers: It was really good. It was really, really good. I do my foie gras pates. I get my glands and my organs. I like them. A lot of people are like, “No, I’ll take the liver pills. Thanks.”

Jen Springer: Did you feel smarter?

Wendy Myers: I’m always searching for that feeling, but not quite, not that night.

Jen Springer: That’s why I feel like if we can eat as many things as possible and really get back to the way that our ancestors ate before all this happened, the fermenting of foods and stocks and eating raw when it’s appropriate in the seasons, all these things that are going with the seasons and even locally. It really makes a difference in our health. Our body was meant to run that way.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: It’s huge.

44:15 Calcium and Magnesium

Wendy Myers: Yeah. I want to talk about calcium. I want to add it to this conversation.

Jen Springer: Yeah.

Wendy Myers: I do hair mineral analysis and test a lot of people and they have really high calcium levels. If you have high calcium, large amounts outside of the cell membrane, calcium will block receptor sites to allow thyroid hormones and glucose to get into the cells.

So sometimes when people have certain conditions in the body that cause them to build up a lot of calcium in the tissues, this can inhibit thyroid hormones. We’re getting the cells. Even if they have normal thyroid labs and they still have thyroid symptoms, this is one of the problems, this mineral imbalance that needs to be corrected. Usually it’s from magnesium deficiency and adrenal fatigue that causes it. But it’s another thing that can inhibit thyroid functioning.

Jen Springer: Yeah. That magnesium, we just need to bathe in it all the time.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. We can’t get enough of it.

Jen Springer: No, not at all. I’ve been using a lot of magnesium citrate topically. No, chloride, I’m sorry. It’s chloride.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, chloride.

Jen Springer: And I’m really liking that a lot.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. Do yourself a favor and don’t spread it on your legs. The first time I used it, I spread it out all over my legs.

Jen Springer: Oh no.

Wendy Myers: And I started itching. All my legs started itching. And I was really, really uncomfortable. Maybe you’re not supposed to use it that way.

Jen Springer: That’s really funny. Oh my gosh. I think from the knee down to the ankle. And I also like to get the flakes, the magnesium chloride flakes and soap before bed. It really helps you relax before bed. Put a little lavender oil in there and get your cortisol levels back where they need to be. It’s really a very nice way to end a day.

46:09 Graves’ disease

Wendy Myers: Yeah, absolutely. So let’s talk about Graves’.

Jen Springer: Yes.

Wendy Myers: I have talked a lot on the show about hypothyroidism and Hashimoto’s. What’s going on when someone has what’s called Graves’ disease?

Jen Springer: From what I’ve had in my experience in my practice and what I’ve been taught, it’s no different. The body just has responded with the hyper response versus a hypo response. So the same rules apply, except if you do the selenium, the iodine, the magnesium and the other big minerals and you do your antifungal.

The other huge thing or component that we haven’t talked about is with my clients, I all have them do an antifungal diet. It’s called the BALI diet, which is B for basic, A for antioxidant and also alkaline. LI is low insulin.

It’s blood sugar balanced and the foods that are on that diet are very antifungal. So we do the BALI food diet, we do the HCl, the enzymes. This is the protocol, the antifungals over the thyroid gland. And then we wait.

What usually happens with a Graves’ person and I’ve seen it happen is they’ll go from hyper down to hypo. And then you start to bring in the glandular and then the glandular will help that thyroid repair itself. That’s just the way their body responded to whatever is happening and then we just hang out with them until they drop and then they got to bring in the nourishment to help repair.

Wendy Myers: So no removing the thyroid.

Jen Springer: No!

Wendy Myers: No. It’s like, “There’s no medication for it. Just cut it out.”

Jen Springer: “Yeah, let’s just take it out. Let’s just kill it.”

Wendy Myers: “Yeah, let’s take care of the problem there.”

Jen Springer: I know. It’s crazy. And to have a hyperthyroid storm, whether you’re Hashi’s or your Graves’, is a nightmare and it can be lethal and it’s scary. So have your team of practitioners helping you, but it’s going to take time to repair the damage, but it can happen pretty darn quick if you are doing your protocol or you’re sticking to your protocol.

48:35 Why Thyroid Problems are Common

Wendy Myers: So why do you think thyroid problems are so common today?

Jen Springer: You’ve got three weeks to talk about that buster?

Wendy Myers: Not to mention the chlorine and fluoride in the water.

Jen Springer: Yeah, that’s a whole soapbox in itself and the electromagnetic and all that jazz.

I think there are a few things. One is our mineral-deficient soil, the foods that we’re eating are so void of anything substantial, most people. And the people that are eating the rich vegetables, often we can’t pull out the minerals because of our low HCl in our stomach. So that’s a huge piece of it.

And I also know, I have been taught that our parents, most of us that are listening, depending on your age, we also – both of my parents were exposed to heavy radiation from the atomic bomb testing and the nuclear stuff that happened in the 1940s with Word War II and my parents were children when that happened. And that radiation doesn’t just stay in the area. It goes around the planet. So there’s that. So there are the nutrient deficiencies.

And also stress, stress in the body will deplete the body of everything functioning correctly and then the body will not – there’s this interesting thing. The adrenal glands help the body stay up to par with the stressors that are happening. But overtime, your adrenals just give you the big middle finger and say, “I’m going to shut you down whether you like it or not.” And this goes into the RT3 thing.

And your body can go into that hypo state even from adrenal fatigue. I don’t want to use the word “fatigue,” but it’s dysfunction because we’ve been living dysfunctionally.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: So there are a lot of reasons, but I feel like that’s a big one. And the number one thing is the nutrient deficiencies. Really, we’re just not eating those minerals that you and I have talked about the way we should. We’re not getting the amino acids, we’re not digesting properly, we’re not getting selenium and iodine.

We’re in the Midwest here. I’m not going to get iodine, unless I’m getting black walnuts or something like that. And how often do we get those? It goes back to that, it goes back to nutrition. It always goes back to the fork.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. And the chlorine and fluoride, these are substances added to most people’s tap water and we are drinking it and we are bathing it every single day. And most people are already iodine deficient and then these chlorine and fluoride block iodine uptake in the thyroid. So it compounds the problem. So you have to drink filtered water.

Jen Springer: Yes. And you got to make sure your filter takes out fluoride, which most of them don’t.

And then I’m going to beat my drum here in a minute on bromine, which I know you know about bromine too.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: I got clients who just say this. People are like, “Well, I don’t even eat bromine.” Well, brominated flour is one of them. And bromine is also in some people’s beverages called Mountain Dew. That’s why it’s such a pretty green.

And I’ll remind you, this is a Hashi’s client who has had half of her thyroid removed. So we started doing iodine with her. And then she’s texting me because she’s having all of these issues of mucus. And then she’s going on and on. Before she even told me, she had on rounds of antibiotics.

And I said, “By the way, is it bright green?” And she said, “Yeah, it’s like this funny colored green.” And it’s coming out of her nose, she’s coughing it out. I said, “Just keep doing your iodine, sweetie.” It was the iodine displacing the bromine and she was purging it through the mucus out of her sinuses and out of her lungs.

Wendy Myers: Wow.

Jen Springer: Yeah. And I almost wanted to ask her for a picture, but that’s gross.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: You have the wall of fame, I guess.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. And they add bromine to Jacuzzis. Some places don’t use chlorine, but they add it to pools in Jacuzzis.

Jen Springer: Yes. I know. It goes into halogen displacement. The halogens are like floozies. And if iodine isn’t in the receptor, other halogens can go in the receptors. And fluoride is a big floozy. Fluoride likes to disrupt things and so was chlorine and bromine.

It’s funny that there’s been a lot of research that has shown that in women that have breast cancer, they’ve got high levels of chlorine in their breast tissue. Why would that be? Well, one of the major areas of the body that has an iodine reserve is the breast tissue.

So if a woman is deficient in iodine, guess who displaced it. It was chlorine. Chlorine went into those receptors and that’s why it appeared that way. Yeah, so good.

Wendy Myers: A great way to detox chlorine and fluoride and bromine is an infrared sauna as well.

Jen Springer: I did infrared the other day. I love infrared saunas.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, they’re very, very important.

54:01 Other Areas that Need Support for a Healthy Thyroid

Wendy Myers: Yeah. So let’s talk about some of the therapies, some of the therapies that aren’t going well. What else may need support to help heal your thyroid?

Jen Springer: The other thing is if you’re looking at the thyroid and you’re working on that, it doesn’t seem to be going quite right, there are three things I look at after that. There are so many. We got to be good detectives as practitioners to help people find a way.

But adrenal dysfunction is the first one. If somebody’s adrenals have been toasted for too long, the adrenal just needs some help and some support in order for T3 to go into the cell.

You also need cortisol. And if somebody is having cortisol that is too low, the T3 can’t be used and that’s why I’ve had this happen where I took my medication and I had extreme hyperthyroid symptoms because the T3 wasn’t getting into the cell. It’s just floating around the body. Also if your cortisol is the other way and it’s too high, that blocks T3 proper conversions.

There’s a lot that goes with the adrenals. So the adrenals need to be assisted as well and it’s usually almost all the time this needs to happen.

Another thing that can happen and disrupt are problems with hormones, especially estrogen dominance. Estrogen is an anti-thyroid hormone and progesterone is a pro-thyroid hormone. Men can be in this thing too, but more often than not, women, especially who are perimenopausal or menopausal or most of women are estrogen dominant. I can just look at somebody and I could tell you exactly what’s going on with them these days, which is really scary.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: But you know. I mean you could see these women and you’re like, “Okay, I can see you and you got this fat ring around your neck. So your thyroid, there’s something going on there.” And I’m reading their eyebrows and the whole thing. But the estrogen dominance really causes a problem for the thyroid.

If you got unexplained weight gain and your thyroid numbers look okay and you’re doing okay with your diet and all that, have your hormones looked at including the metabolites because sometimes the dominance is actually shown in the metabolites.

Another thing that can happen too is the blood sugar, having blood sugar issues can greatly affect the thyroid. And Candida of course can affect the thyroid.

So those are probably the top four, the adrenals, the Candida, the blood sugar and the estrogen. And then there’s toxicity as well. Even when I’m working with somebody, I always address toxicities just through their diet, helping them decide what foods to eat so that they’re automatically detoxifying.

Like you said, doing some far infrared, making sure they’re sweating, getting them moving, have them sanitary, to not sit on the butt all day and finding out what their lifestyle is about, meditation, breathing, all these things that we’ve gotten so off-track. How could people find their center? And see which shakes out if we got to dig even deeper.

57:20 Xenoestrogens and Estrogen Dominance

Wendy Myers: Yeah. So with the estrogen dominance, I think a lot of them are confused because they go to their doctor, they’re perimenopausal or menopausal and their estrogens are low. Can you talk a little bit about that and the issue with xenoestrogens?

Jen Springer: Yeah. The xenoestrogens are xenos, fake estrogen. We’ve got so many pollutants and toxins from the environment, especially plastics. Those things can mimic estrogen.

There are some foods and herbs that are phytoestrogenic. But I think in my opinion, I know some doctors that tell clients or their patients, “No estrogenic foods…”

Wendy Myers: But they’re weak.

Jen Springer: What?

Wendy Myers: They’re weak estrogenic foods.

Jen Springer: Yes. They’re very weak. Women can be estrogen dominant and estrogen deficient at the same time. So they could be dealing with the xenoestrogens, which are restored in the fat. And when you start sauna or you start to do weight loss, you start to get a release of those things and you can detoxify those out your liver.

The liver dysfunction is a huge piece of this. When the liver is not functioning properly, guess who conjugates the estrogens? Well, it’s the liver and also the good bacteria that are in the liver as well and then the digestive tract help to facilitate the estrogen conjugation.

There are many forms of estrogen in the body. To go from the weaker like estriol to estradiol and doing all these conversions, the body needs to be harmonizing and doing its thing.

But I’ve also found that looking at hormones, if they are presenting – in a part of my questionnaire, you ask them about estrogen dominance and estrogen deficiency and if they’re showing both, then we can look at if the estradiol is really high and there’s no estriol or we could look with the metabolites, the two alpha hydroxy and the 16 alpha hydroxy estrogens metabolites. Sometimes those are really high.

It’s a game and you got to do a little bit of homework to find out what’s really happening. Unfortunately, even every day of the month is different for a woman as well trying to figure out. Is her rhythm off? Where is progesterone in the whole scheme of things? So there’s a lot with hormones.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, it’s very, very complicated. Women are very complicated beings.

Jen Springer: I’m going through that myself. I’m like, “WTF, man?”

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: I didn’t realize my entire life that I’ve had thyroid and hormone issues. And I thought that it was bad that my doctors would have addressed it and now I’m in full force perimenopause, hardcore, beyond hardcore, I’m thinking for 35 years, why didn’t anybody do anything about this?

This goes back to what you and I talked about with lab work and just treating symptoms and stuff. What if I had this corrected when I was in my early teens, when I first started menstruating? It’s beyond me. That’s why I’m sure for you, I love to help people get this back.

I didn’t start getting a normal period until I was in my early 30s. Just by detoxifying and eating good foods and changing my lifestyle, I was able to get my cycle every month versus once a year. Yeah, it’s so crazy.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. It’s amazing. It takes time. It takes time to heal the thyroid, adrenals, detox and change of diet. Rome was not built in a day. It takes time to turn that ship around. So we’re not proposing any miracles over here.

It just takes time to figure out what’s going on through various tests and then there’s a lot of work on the part of the patient or the client. Most of the work is on them. They have to do the dirty work and it’s not popping a pill, which is what the doctor usually offers.

Jen Springer: Even if you’re taking thyroid, sometimes you might feel – you’re on a nutrition program, you guys work with Wendy or you work with me or whoever you’re working with and we help you decide what foods to eat and how to supplement your diet and you don’t feel great in a month, even when you bring your body back online, you’re working with healing decades of things that are going on and you got to stick with it.

Even with the thyroid, you might start feeling good in a couple of weeks, but then for all the metabolic changes that have to happen at the deepest levels of your body, even what we talked quite a bit about, even detoxifying, your body has a lot of stops and places in order to detoxify, but if you don’t have enough ATP to do it, you’re not digesting your food and you’re not detoxifying anything and then you wonder why you’re fat and bloated and you feel like a big pile of junk.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: Right? I’ve been there. Right?

Wendy Myers: Exactly. That takes time like we’re saying over and over and over. Sometimes people feel worse when they start on the healing program, “Oh, you made me feel worse.” And they want to find the next practitioner that’s going to give them that magic bullet and make them feel better.

Usually people do have to feel worse before they get better. But once you start mineralizing your body, people’s energy levels begin going up. They’re sleeping better. Their energy levels start improving in increments. But it’s like the stock market, it goes up and then down and then it goes up a little bit and down. But overtime, you feel better.

Jen Springer: The thing that’s interesting that really put that whole mineral thing in place for me in perspective is that our body works off of little enzymatic processes . Nothing happens.

When your body does anything, your body makes enzymes and the chemistry of your body will convert things to make stuff for your body to use or to take stuff out of your body that shouldn’t be there. And all of those enzymes that make everything work are all dependent off of minerals and B vitamins. So if you don’t have minerals, Wendy, what you do and what you specialize in, if you don’t have minerals, you are nothing.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, exactly. You can’t copy your DNA properly. You can’t do anything. You can’t shunt nutrients into your mitochondria to make energy. It’s just not going to happen.

Jen Springer: Nothing. Nothing happens without those. So popping a B vitamin and drinking some coffee in the morning may give you a temporary pulling that something is happening. And everything goes deeper overtime. You can see some surface improvements, but to get to the deepest parts of your being, the deepest tissues of your body, it takes time.

So you got to stick on your regimen and it is not a special diet, it’s a new lifestyle. If you want to live vibrantly and have beautiful skin and look trim and whatever trim means to you and have the energy to do those things, it’s a lifestyle. It’s not a fix. It’s not a temporary thing.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. And you have to take supplements for life. You have to take them forever. People ask me, “How long do I have to take these pills?” I’m like, “Forever. They’re not in the soil.”

Jen Springer: Yeah.

Wendy Myers: They’re missing in the soil even if you eat organic. The only people that are doing good, they grow their own vegetables, they’re master gardeners, they’re re-mineralizing the soil. They’re using cow poop and all kinds of other wonderful things to give lots of nutrients to their food.

That’s my uncle. My uncle is doing that in Texas.

Jen Springer: Cool.

Wendy Myers: He’s been gardening massive, massive garden and he’s been doing it for 30 years. But that’s not most people.

Jen Springer: No, it’s not. And there are just things you need to take. That’s period, end of story.

Wendy Myers: Yeah.

Jen Springer: And that’s part of your budget, that’s part of your health program. I guess for you to create for yourself, for everybody listening, is to make sure that you set aside a budget to take care of yourself just as if you need water and sleep in order to keep that nourishment in your body so you don’t wind up with some majorly awful thing, dis-ease when you get older.

They say the people that eat well and they do their supplements and they exercise, their terminal decline as we like to call it, their ending of life, that terminal decline is much shorter for people that are healthier because they just go along and poof, they’re gone one day versus somebody…

Wendy Myers: Yes.

Jen Springer: Do you know what I mean? That’s how we all want to go. Your terminal decline is short. And then for those people that eat junk and have bad attitudes and don’t rest and stressed out and whatever is going on with them, eat, drink, smoke and whatever they’re doing, they seem to go on and be ill for decades before they die.

Wendy Myers: Yeah. We see that. That’s what we’re seeing today. People just have this steady 10-year decline or longer and it’s miserable. It’s totally preventable for most people.

Jen Springer: Yes.

Wendy Myers: Absolutely. Well Jen, thank you so much for being on the podcast. We’ve gone well over such an engaging conversation and it was so educational for so many women and men out there trying to heal their thyroid and heal their health issues. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

Jen Springer: Yes. Thank you so much for having me here. And I hope that all of you took great notes and you can listen again if you need to take more notes.

67:48 Where to Find Jen Springer

Wendy Myers: Why don’t you tell everyone where they can find you?

Jen Springer: Yes, I am all over the place. Probably the best place is our new website. Like I said, if you’re coming on shortly, it’s not fully done, but it’s LiveGreen.solutions. And you can see the stuff there and you can get I guess 10 ways to detox your home and your body right now. You can get that there.

And then I’m on YouTube, Jen Springer Channel. You can find me there. I’m all over. If you search me, I’m all over the place, but those are probably the two best places to find me.

Wendy Myers: Okay, great. Well, listeners, tune in and go check Jen out on her website, her YouTube channel. And if you want to learn more about me, you can go myersdetox.com and go to MineralPower.com. It’s a newly launched website to help you get your life back so you can re-mineralize your body, detox your body and get the energy and the mental clarity that you deserve. Everyone, thank you so much for listening to the Live to 110 Podcast.